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Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by gonehome »

mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

Yeah, I agree - South Park got this right: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China

“As a result of the episode's criticism of its practices, the Chinese government banned the series entirely in the country”

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Post by deltaonefour »

alienbeast wrote: post #239
mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #25
system16 wrote: post #5

Say what you want about China, but their ability to weaponize capitalism and make multi-billion dollar companies cower and self-censor in ways they would never do for Western governments is remarkable. "When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract".

Where did that quote come from?

Quote Investigator says that Major George Racey Jordan was the source of this wording in 1955, but he attributed it to Lenin. In 1931, however, S. Dmitrijewski wrote something similar (while talking about Maxim Litvinov):

> In the autumn of 1905 he founded, together with Krassin, the newspaper New Life; the necessary money being given by millionaires, who thereby helped weave the rope from which many of them should hang later on.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/02/22/rope/

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Post by me_me_mu_mu »

mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

People are tribalistic and end of the day whether you like it or not, the fact is that hundreds of millions of people (vast majority) are happy to live under ccp, just as {insert number} are happy to live under {insert country}.

We can try to convince ourselves this isn't the case, but I don't exactly see progressive programmers giving up their massive Big Tech salaries as protest. No, they're happy to support whatever corporate campaign sounds good to them while ignoring that the machines they build on are built with slave labor, or that their company willingly censors and bends the knee with countries where LGBT rights don't exist and women can't go out on their own. To me, it is the same kind of thing as the Chinese situation. People will do all sorts of stunts for their team, and never take an L for an external actor because why should they?

The best thing you can do is sit back and watch everyone argue (the best show that's live 24/7), while you enjoy a beer. Best case scenario you sell both sides something that they enjoy, so that you can enjoy your life.

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Post by abeppu »

design-material wrote: post #253
abeppu wrote: post #183

> The letter now reads that the company prohibits "any human trafficked or involuntary labour such as forced, debt bonded, prison, indentured, or slave labour throughout your extended supply chains." > “Intel’s cowardice is yet another predictable consequence of economic reliance on China,” Rubio said in a statement on Monday. “Instead of humiliating apologies and self-censorship, companies should move their supply c…

Um... no. That logic makes no sense

Care to expand on that?

The premise of this article is that Intel was intimidated out of mentioning Xinjiang and instead opted to list categories of practices to be excluded from its supply chain. Why is it not appropriate to discuss the ways Intel and other US companies are already beneficiaries of some of those practices?

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Post by jevoten »

tharne wrote: post #158
onepointsixC wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suicide nets were a result of western over reaction to relative few cases of suicides which happened at lower rates at factories than the general public. Don't get me wrong, the actions of the CCP in Xinjiang are horrific, but we need not embellish.

> Suicide nets were a result of western over reaction to relative few cases of suicides So just to be clear, how many low-wage workers have to kill themselves before we say it matters?

Did you miss "which happened at lower rates at factories than the general public"? Or do you just want to imply that people who point this out think that suicide doesn't matter?

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Post by jorblumesea »

alienbeast wrote: post #239
mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

> I agree the jingoistic CCP-controlled Chinese media does not depict Americans or whites with respect and tact. That's a problem. But it doesn't make it OK for the American media to do the same.

The problem is that it's a zero sum game and who wins is just as important as moral correctness. If China is able to turn the narrative against the US and enable authoritarian regimes and censor US companies and tech, what does it matter if we're the "good guys"? If we lose a war of culture, will our children see ourselves as doing the "right thing"? History books are are written by the winners, after all.

Contemporary Chinese ideas would see your point of view as weak, just to put that in perspective.

International relations is a dirty world and the power struggle is real.

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Post by godelski »

alienbeast wrote: post #239
mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

In that case I would argue that one shouldn't use North Koreans either. Though I honestly do feel this way. Sci-fi and fantasy give you this escape mechanism where you can talk about these issues without making it about race (well at least race in humans). We know Ender's Game and Starship Troopers are Cold War era books about Russians without them saying Russians or depicting them. There's a requisite maturity needed to read between the lines that hopefully one is able to distinguish between countries and races, despite correlations, by that point.
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