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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by joemazerino »

alienbeast wrote: post #239
mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

American action heroes are as American as apple pie. Why shelter your son when he can embrace it and become stronger?

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by president »

ei8htyfi5e wrote: post #129

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The problem is that it is not just paid Wu Maos partaking in mindless burying of China criticism. Often times, you'll get hyper nationalist Chinese people who just want to help their homeland and they're not getting paid to astroturf. It's not limited to the Chinese - I have seen the same pattern for posts that are critical of India/Indians in engineering boards. I believe that trust is largely gone on large forums due to astroturfing and bots.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by design-material »

abeppu wrote: post #183

> The letter now reads that the company prohibits "any human trafficked or involuntary labour such as forced, debt bonded, prison, indentured, or slave labour throughout your extended supply chains." > “Intel’s cowardice is yet another predictable consequence of economic reliance on China,” Rubio said in a statement on Monday. “Instead of humiliating apologies and self-censorship, companies should move their supply c…

Um... no.

That logic makes no sense

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by goblin89 »

ILMostro7 wrote: post #194
goblin89 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If slavery, segregation, religious prosecution, mass killings and forced sterilizations took place in the West at some point, does it make those things OK for the remainder of humanity’s history? No one was perfect at all times from day 1, but we should try to hold our partners, and by implication ourselves, to higher standards now that we have agreed to put the aforementioned actions at the extreme left side of the…

Wait and see. Maybe they just need to get their version of the Holocaust to get it out of their system. Deep down, they are good people doing horrific things. So, we just need to let them catch up while they repeat history's horrific acts with impunity.

It’s unclear whether without strong worldwide recognition and condemnation it will ever be out of the system, and I’m afraid what made Holocaust to be recognized and condemned is that those who did it started and lost a violent war against other nations.

(I know you jest.)

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Post by chasd00 »

trasz wrote: post #180
ei8htyfi5e wrote: post #111

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So essentially something that's considered perfectly normal in American prisons. Bit of a double standards, don't you think?

That is such a disingenuous malevolent comment that i want to preserve it and the context in case you get downvoted off the screen.

"So essentially something that's considered perfectly normal in American prisons. Bit of a double standards, don't you think?" by trasz

in response to

"They are rounded up, regardless of their crimes. 1M+ people have been put in a camp where they are raped, beaten, medically experimented on, re-educated and indoctrinated to praise the CCP, shipped to factories around the country to work without pay, if they escape their families are punished. While Uyghur men are in these camps, Han Chinese men move in with the families left behind and treat the women and children as slaves. They literally buy them. It’s disgusting. It’s evil. See this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ohob7b/uyghur_wom..."

by: ei8htyfi5e

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by defaultprimate »

ir123 wrote: post #242
defaultprimate wrote: post #175

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It's something I've stated repeatedly: The most dangerous part of China is not its military or nukes (they're actually hardly an offensive threat at all). It's how effective their global propaganda, cultural warfare, and data harvesting techniques are. You don't need nukes when you can destabilize and divide an entire country from within while having everything you need and more to psychologically manipulate the popu…

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Post by SavantIdiot »

pddpro wrote: post #249
alienbeast wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

At the very end of this sentiment is the fact that all movies depicting invasion should only be made if it's Alien invasion. In that way, no one's sentiment would be hurt and no one would be portrayed evil. At some point you have to ask yourself, do you want to remember history, it's atrocities, invasions, war-crimes etc and learn from it or do you want to forget all of that and be happy always?

There's huge a difference between a WW2 documentary accurately depicting the axis and allies, and the US films of the 1980's that were all anti middle-eastern / north african propaganda of wars that never happened.

I believe the comment you are replying to is addressing the latter.

"Any kid can conquer Libya just give him a fighter plane." - Dead Kennedys, "Rambozo the Clown"

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Post by __blockcipher__ »

alienbeast wrote: post #239
mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

(1) Hopefully part of raising your son to feel American involves instilling a sense of "Americanness" that is orthogonal to one's racial identity. And conversely, hopefully he could distinguish between "Chinese people in general" and "soldiers of the chinese communist party". Not that I'm defending cheesy, overly simplistic good-guys-vs-bad-guys type media, but I hope the objection is about something more than just skin deep for you.

(2) There is certainly a middle ground between avoiding cliche bad-guy-china-vs-good-guy-america and, say, Intel removing any references to Xinjiang from its shareholder report. Or all of Hollywood carrying water for the CCP, perhaps most humorously (in a depressing way) illustrated in how they will edit movies to display the south china sea / other disputed territories in precisely the way China wants

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Post by Steltek »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #202
mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

i am not an american or chinese so a third party. here is my question. does "America has lost the narrative and the Chinese have gained it without question" this mean till now it was america who was defining what the rest of the world saw and remembered, making history for "everyone" not just for themselves. remember rambo and the mujahideen? america has for long used its power to influence narrative across the world…

Definitely a given that American movies have comical stereotypes for "bad guys". I don't know what to say except that America's pretty divided right now. In some parts, you won't find a lot of love for Israel and the Iran nuclear deal was a good idea. It's hardly a monolith.

But I would contest this notion that China is a free market. This is not people voting with their wallets and the government often threatens direct economic retaliation against companies for even minor "infractions" of speech, like listing Taiwan as a country in a dropdown box. International companies do not have a level playing field in China, if they can legally operate there at all (e.g. joint venture requirements). Hell, even domestic companies need to watch where they step if they get too big like Jack Ma.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by defaultprimate »

bredren wrote: post #214
defaultprimate wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's something I've stated repeatedly: The most dangerous part of China is not its military or nukes (they're actually hardly an offensive threat at all). It's how effective their global propaganda, cultural warfare, and data harvesting techniques are. You don't need nukes when you can destabilize and divide an entire country from within while having everything you need and more to psychologically manipulate the popu…

This is why I suspect the attack on the 2016 US election was the most cost-effective intelligence operation in history.

Are you referring to the response to the election results and the years long investigations?
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