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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by rhino369 »

tppiotrowski wrote: post #24
Scoundreller wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA only requires that for air passengers. Requiring overseas checkin agents to be disease doctors was okay, but asking CBP to verify paperwork and stop threats at the border was too much to ask.

Funny story I heard recently: Someone tested positive in Mexico but "had to" get home. Flew to Tijuana, walked across the border (no COVID test needed for land crossing), and caught a flight home out of San Diego. It still makes sense to protect the airline employees, but I no longer view a pre-flight test as a reliable measure to stop COVID from arriving in the US.

What is point, we have millions of cases a day anyway.

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Post by conistonwater »

roywiggins wrote: post #20
ed_balls wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because Mucosal immunity.

PCR tests can come back positive for several months post-infection, so there may be no point in testing people in that post-infection period, because it will come back with too many false positives to be useful. 180 days sounds long for that, but people do test positive for months sometimes. The reason you can test positive for so long is that it takes time for remnant RNA from the virus to totally leave your system,…

Pointless pedantry, just because I've been watching TWiV: the PCR test is detecting virus RNA because coronaviruses have RNA, and there's no DNA there. The rest I absolutely agree with.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by giarc »

Scoundreller wrote: post #4

I find it funny how some countries suddenly make your life a lot easier if you have a positive test history. Canada has a fairly annoying requirement to have a negative PCR test taken within 72h of takeoff (or arrival by car), which can be dicey/expensive in many parts of the world to get, but if you have a positive PCR result from 14-180 days, this requirement drops and travel gets a lot easier than those that never…

I had a friend in Mexico and took PCR on Monday for Tuesday flight. Tuesday flight got cancelled. Couldn't get ahold of 2 major airlines on phone on Tuesday so just showed up to airport on Wednesday to get any flight into Canada before 72 hour test expired. A bit of a mess.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by jablan »

colinjoy wrote: post #49
woodruffw wrote: post #21

Could someone double-check my understanding of this? Is the conclusion that Djokovic lied about the order (and specific dates) of his PCR tests, with the goal of entering Australia while still testing positive?

Either that or the positive test is a fabrication that was backdated on paper to claim the „recovered“ status. I would also not rule out the possibility that there has not been a real positive test at all and that the tampering could include false data entry.

Considering his god-like status in Serbia, this wouldn't be hard to pull off at all.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

tppiotrowski wrote: post #9
oxymoran wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that surprising? Recovering from a natural infection is more durable immunity than that of the vaccines. Even more so if you have both.

OP might think it's funny because it appears beneficial to seek an infection despite all guidance to avoid it.

That's precisely what Herr Drosten, German top virologist and a member of state anti-Covid team suggested, to get infected after second shot to get a permanent immunity with a low-risk profile.

Unfortunately, Germany bought too many vaccines, and they need to use them all to be able to buy even more.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by giarc »

hugh-avherald wrote: post #44
woodruffw wrote: post #21

Could someone double-check my understanding of this? Is the conclusion that Djokovic lied about the order (and specific dates) of his PCR tests, with the goal of entering Australia while still testing positive?

An alternative conclusion is that the entire test certificate was faked and the bogus timestamp is the smoking gun.

I don't think the certificate validity is in question since the URLs of the Serbia government sites can be accessed. Unless the implication is that Serbian government aided in the fraud.

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Post by roywiggins »

conistonwater wrote: post #73
roywiggins wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PCR tests can come back positive for several months post-infection, so there may be no point in testing people in that post-infection period, because it will come back with too many false positives to be useful. 180 days sounds long for that, but people do test positive for months sometimes. The reason you can test positive for so long is that it takes time for remnant RNA from the virus to totally leave your system,…

Pointless pedantry, just because I've been watching TWiV: the PCR test is detecting virus RNA because coronaviruses have RNA, and there's no DNA there. The rest I absolutely agree with.

You're right, of course! Edited.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

alexk307 wrote: post #23

I honestly don't even care if he's vaccinated or not. He's one of the best Tennis players of all time, and if he wants to be unvaccinated, he should have the right. However, he doesn't have the right to provide a fraudulent test result in order to enter into a country with its own rules, and a Tennis tournament with its own rules. Covid or not, vaccine or not, this is a scummy move by one of the world's most influent…

Famous/rich people don't have to follow the same rules as the rest of us obviously.
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