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Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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If it's verifiable then why didn't you provide the evidence?

Okay. https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/01/25/data-show-racial-bi...

This reads like a bunch of high school drama between the source you posted and the crime watch page.

It also provides extremely weak support for your racism claim.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

#72

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As a heads up, all of the "Crime Watch" for Minnesota and Minneapolis are run by a verifiable racist. Please ensure you review that source with awareness of the bias that is implicitly in every update from them. Source: https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/01/25/data-show-racial-bi...

Why are you making this about race? Even if that account doesn't have perfect coverage of all crimes committed, the incidents that are being report by that account DID actually happen, right? As an aside, I've been very happy to see the strategy of calling everything you don't like "racism" lose its effectiveness over the past year.

> Why are you making this about race?

I'm not making this about race. I'm making this about whether it's okay to accept the views of racists. Completely different.

> Even if that account doesn't have perfect coverage of all crimes committed, the incidents that are being report by that account DID actually happen, right?

Nope. Per the source, not all of them happened, and the accuracy of the reports is questionable.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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People & especially the media love to play up this stuff. I lived two blocks away from Seattle's CHAZ during the 2020 BLM protests. Watching media coverage of my area compared to the actual experience of walking around and living there was a ridiculous juxtaposition. Even people I know who disapproved of the protests commented on the difference uneasily. I had numerous people from the east side of Lake Washington ref…

Is wikipedia inaccurate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest#... Your personal experience may be less relevant than actual incidents in which people were shot.

Yes, and in the GP we saw there were actual instances of people having their car stolen. This does not mean it was some violent wasteland as the media painted.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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People & especially the media love to play up this stuff. I lived two blocks away from Seattle's CHAZ during the 2020 BLM protests. Watching media coverage of my area compared to the actual experience of walking around and living there was a ridiculous juxtaposition. Even people I know who disapproved of the protests commented on the difference uneasily. I had numerous people from the east side of Lake Washington ref…

I don’t know. On the one hand I get what you’re saying, that CHAZ was “peaceful” during the day in that it resembled a sort of low-tier art fair. On the other hand, it was an incredibly lawless hijacking of public property. Daily, thousands of people who use those roads or surrounding amenities (parks, businesses) were forced to find alternatives that took longer and were more crowded, right in the middle of the pand…

Yes, this is the standard right-wing Seattleite bemoaning. Of course, what's always left unsaid is that the implied solution to the existence of homeless people is newly-hired & appropriately-worshipped cops kicking them out of their temporary shelter and trashing their meagre possessions. All so you don't have to look at and deal with the externalities of your nicely-appreciating property prices.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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I was in Minneapolis a few months ago and grabbed a Lyft. I started talking with the driver about crime surges, mainly the dramatic car jackings increase. He said 22 people he personally knew have been victims of car jacking in 2021. They are organized and setup drop off points to box the cars in. The 'passanger' then holds them at gun point and another person gets in the driver seat. Stolen phones and credit cards a…

> I started talking with the driver about crime surges, mainly the dramatic car jackings increase. He said 22 people he personally knew have been victims of car jacking in 2021. This sounds like a typical made-up crime panic narrative, honestly. The linked story being about a car left running with an infant in it being stolen doesn't help. Terrible, but not at all some boxed-in high octane car theft. Sibling posts ch…

There is an uptick in carjackings in my city. The data for Philadelphia is >700 in 2021 which is nearly double or more of previous years. As you say, do not buy into moral panic, but do not minimize the very real damage this is doing to cities. Getting held up in your car with a gun is not warming up your car.

This is not as many newcomers like to say "just life in the city", it is a big change from the 2010s.

Many people are getting cameras at their houses because it makes insurance payouts easier when something goes wrong. Otherwise you end up on the legal treadmill to get back to where you were.

Here's my anecdata: neighbor from my block got his car stolen, joy ride until suspension broke, thieves totaled the inside by cooking drugs inside it. Neighbor gets 8k for his car from insurance (Honda CRV 2010sish). Now has to deal with current market on cars, ends up going new getting Mazda CX off a boat because no cars on the lot. These guys are a professor and nurse, so this put a good dent in their income.

One other fun data point, is now carjackings are turning into shootings as people in the city don't expect police to do anything so there is an uptick in concealed carry for ride share drivers and delivery people.

The box in tactic has only been seen in a couple instances here in Philadelphia. The case I saw (in the neighborhood next to mine) they rear ended the guy, and when they got out to talk/exchange info passenger popped out and pulled a gun on the driver. The driver was armed, as they got into his car he shot the dude driving and then shot the other car's driver. Total mayhem. Cops thought he was the carjacker until witnesses told the story and showed camera evidence.

I'm not advocating for any particular solution or outcome, but that is the weather pattern in Philadelphia.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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I was in Minneapolis a few months ago and grabbed a Lyft. I started talking with the driver about crime surges, mainly the dramatic car jackings increase. He said 22 people he personally knew have been victims of car jacking in 2021. They are organized and setup drop off points to box the cars in. The 'passanger' then holds them at gun point and another person gets in the driver seat. Stolen phones and credit cards a…

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Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Is wikipedia inaccurate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest#... Your personal experience may be less relevant than actual incidents in which people were shot.

Yes, and in the GP we saw there were actual instances of people having their car stolen. This does not mean it was some violent wasteland as the media painted.

Right wingers want to paint it as a violent wasteland. Left wingers want to paint it as a promising post-police utopian experiment.

Rhetoric aside, there are empirical questions that can be answered.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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I was in Minneapolis a few months ago and grabbed a Lyft. I started talking with the driver about crime surges, mainly the dramatic car jackings increase. He said 22 people he personally knew have been victims of car jacking in 2021. They are organized and setup drop off points to box the cars in. The 'passanger' then holds them at gun point and another person gets in the driver seat. Stolen phones and credit cards a…

> I started talking with the driver about crime surges, mainly the dramatic car jackings increase. He said 22 people he personally knew have been victims of car jacking in 2021. This sounds like a typical made-up crime panic narrative, honestly. The linked story being about a car left running with an infant in it being stolen doesn't help. Terrible, but not at all some boxed-in high octane car theft. Sibling posts ch…

Well we already know the political affiliations of OP and OP of OP.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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A warrant-like system? No, it looks like the cops just have to ask your paranoid gun-nut neighbor before they can get the videos. That's a far cry from a judge and the judicial scrutiny, legal protections, etc. that a warrant entails.

They can already do that. They've always been able to do that. Consent circumvents nearly all legal protections.

Sure! But it's not a warrant-like system.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Solving crimes with cams in times when every one is wearing a mask, specially those who do crimes will wear a mask, a hat or something else more. But how to fix this - put there even more cams :) Genious, really. People, please don't do any crimes, cause you gonna weight on the police system now. Please, if you do commit a crime, just during that time, for short, remove your mask and look at the camera. hahaha
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