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Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by ei8htyfi5e »

dirtyid wrote: post #144
ei8htyfi5e wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s absolutely not backwards. When you have a million people in a concentration camp in a given region, and China is known for shipping these slaves around their country to work in factories, to make sanctions and targeted policies more difficult to apply, can you maybe see why a rule of thumb has been created black listing an entire region? This is their choice. Cause. Effect.

Is that why US also sanctions John Deer from selling tractors to XJ when XJ wanted to automate cotton harvesting because paying "slave" labours high wages was unprofitable. Almost like US wants to XJ to rely on manual labour to perpetuate coerced labour myth. Cause. Effect.

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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by network2592 »

Aperocky wrote: post #86
network2592 wrote: post #32

> It apologised last month for the "trouble" it had caused, saying that its commitment to avoid supply chains from Xinjiang was an expression of compliance with U.S. law, rather than a statement of its position on the issue. So is the position of Intel that slave labour in concentration camps is an acceptable means of production? To what extent are Intel chips designed and manufactured in China? Presumably, they are…

> So is the position of Intel that slave labour in concentration camps is an acceptable means of production? This is the very definition of a straw man argument. Very few people actually cares about what really do happen in Xinjiang, hopefully this relatively balanced reporting by Associated Press can shed some light: https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-ch...

Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. Do not confuse lack of action with lack of caring.

Effective action may require collective action. But individually, most people care. Yet, collectively, they cannot seem to do anything meaningful. You are making a statement that is the definition of an ecological fallacy [0]

The article you pointed out is hardly balanced. The access of journalists is heavily restricted. Naturally, any information that comes out from a standard news outlet with government sanctioned offices like Associated Press will sound like government propaganda. CCP will not let AP have access to any information that counters the narrative of the propaganda.

For a different take on things, and an outlet that does journalism differently without official representation with CCP, have a look at this piece from VICE [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by tyrfing »

mlindner wrote: post #70
network2592 wrote: post #32

> It apologised last month for the "trouble" it had caused, saying that its commitment to avoid supply chains from Xinjiang was an expression of compliance with U.S. law, rather than a statement of its position on the issue. So is the position of Intel that slave labour in concentration camps is an acceptable means of production? To what extent are Intel chips designed and manufactured in China? Presumably, they are…

> To what extent are Intel chips designed and manufactured in China? Presumably, they are primarily designed in the USA and manufactured in Taiwan. Intel has fabs all over the world, including many in the US and some in China[1]. Whenever people talk about chip manufacturing they seem to only think about high-end cutting edge processes, when in fact the majority of quantity of chips produced are at non-cutting edge f…

Intel doesn't have any fabs in China, the Dalian facility is for NAND and was sold to SK Hynix recently. Shanghai/Chengdu are assembly/test.

It's just Chinese politics, and a very large market. It was a huge mistake to use the term 'Xinjiang', one that other companies like Apple are careful to avoid.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by iterati »

mlindner wrote: post #81
syki wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In China the government tells companies what to do in the furtherance of state aims. In America and elsewhere companies tell government what to do in furtherance of corporate aims. For instance the overthrow of governments on behalf of banana companies and oil companies. What we see now is China exerting influence and power and we aren’t accustomed to having another country do this toward our companies/interests.

This is a rather skewed and incorrect view of history. In America and elsewhere companies do not dictate policy. They can help edge it in a direction they want, but the large swings of policy are out of their control. More so you're generalizing America to the entire west and excluding other Asian countries like Japan.

Here's but one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by ei8htyfi5e »

jchook wrote: post #156
ei8htyfi5e wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s absolutely not backwards. When you have a million people in a concentration camp in a given region, and China is known for shipping these slaves around their country to work in factories, to make sanctions and targeted policies more difficult to apply, can you maybe see why a rule of thumb has been created black listing an entire region? This is their choice. Cause. Effect.

“A million people in a concentration camp” says US state agencies who tried to prevent the UN from investigating and Adrian Zenz commissioned by the BBC. Let’s ask the UN what they think about China’s response to terrorism in Xinjiang after investigating. > Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including…

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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by mmaunder »

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking the ire of the Chinese market, a critically important market for our film industry, much like it's a critically important market for Intel. This trend has continued and worsened.

You'll notice there are no courageous well known film makers tackling the humanitarian abuses in China. It's a career killer.

And yet the most popular film in China in 2021 is The Battle at Lake Changjin which depicts the Chinese fighting American soldiers and winning. It's also the highest grossing film in Chinese history and the second highest grossing film world-wide in 2021. It's also the highest grossing non-english film of 2021.

America has lost the narrative and the Chinese have gained it without question. Our free market economy and desire for continued access to the Chinese market is destroying our freedom of expression and has left what used to be a community of courageous filmmakers shining light in important issues cowering in a corner.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by trasz »

network2592 wrote: post #32

> It apologised last month for the "trouble" it had caused, saying that its commitment to avoid supply chains from Xinjiang was an expression of compliance with U.S. law, rather than a statement of its position on the issue. So is the position of Intel that slave labour in concentration camps is an acceptable means of production? To what extent are Intel chips designed and manufactured in China? Presumably, they are…

It's fascinating how one can actually believe Intel is manufacturing stuff using "slave labour in concentration camps" purely because his state propaganda tells them so.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by EdSharkey »

photochemsyn wrote: post #122
halpert wrote: post #107

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Well, better never take an Uber ride again either as Saudi Arabia dumped $5 billion into that corporation, didn't it? I see way too many people displaying hypocritical selective outrage over such issues. Starvation and genocide in Yemen is okay with such people, apparently, it's only if China is involved that they get upset? Come on.

I am only upset at Han scoundrels in China right now, deal with it. The world is broken, we are in triage mode, and your accusations of hypocrisy have no sting.

Bravo Intel for opposing slavery. You are doing more right than wrong these days and I love you for it.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by pradn »

mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

The Battle at Lake Changjin was the first time a non-Hollywood film was the highest grossing film worldwide since like the 1910s or 1920s. (We don't have good records before then, when a bunch of French silents were popular.)
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