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Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

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Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

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Post by attasi »

jmann99999 wrote: post #7

I really like this. I use DEVONthink currently for most of my notes. However, I really like the "daily" note nature of this. I have a couple of questions that would make this very useful and maybe change my current process. First, can I tag parts of a daily note? My use-case would be tagging sections of a daily note related to a customer. In a given day, I may have 5 meetings with different customers. If I could tag…

Thanks for the questions and ideas. We do support tags, which you can add inline using the format `#tagname`. This will create a Labels section in your sidebar which will show a list of all pages tagged with that. We've had many feature requests to make this more granular – to show blocks tagged with the labels – which we've been working on but haven't shipped yet. As for Surfaces on Daily Notes: I typically create a new Surface inline from Daily Notes by typing `[[Page Name`. This gives me a clean Surface to work on without messing with everything else going on in my day. It also generates a backlink for you from that Surface back to any days linking to it. Would love to hear if this helps your use cases at all. Thanks!

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

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Post by attasi »

awb wrote: post #8

Clover is a pretty well-used name. When searching for “Clover” on Google: https://www.clover.com/ https://www.cloverfoodlab.com/ https://www.clover.co/ https://www.cloverhealth.com/ When I hear “Clover”, I think payment processing and health care. Apparently it’s also a dating app and a food service. In a crowded namespace you might want to consider using a descriptive term like “Clover Notes” in your branding so peo…

Yes. Clover is a widely used name and we _are_ exploring ways to differentiate that to help our findability. I like the “Clover Notes” suggestion!

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

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Post by ciarlill »

Some initial feedback after noodling around for 20 mins:

Initially this looked like the perfect replacement for my notion + good notes setup. Inking is really important to my workflow so most of my feedback is around that. I also love having the calendar integrated into my daily notes.

- Daily notes don't appear to be a surface so cannot be inked on? This is pretty vital for me. In GoodNotes I basically have a new note page every day for scribbling. Otherwise this feature looks perfect for how I currently work. - The inking in general does not feel great in comparison to Notability or GoodNotes. It appears to do some path correction and overall everything feels very "stiff". Could use more pen tip size options and pen options in general as well as highlighting. - It's too easy to accidentally activate the context menus for text / shape / non-drawing areas when panning around with fingers or accidentally brushing them with your hand. Maybe a long press on these to activate those menus?

I love the idea of having notes, tasks and calendar in one place. You nailed the integration with google calendar, I just wish you could do something similar with tasks but I doubt it will fit into your current paradigm. For me, as a mixed OS user (Android phone, iOS tablet, MacBook for work) I need a task manager that is fully cross platform with notifications, quick add, etc. no matter which device I'm on. I could see using the tasks in your app for non-deadline, more project-management style things. But not as a daily "to-do style" app. And maybe that is the objective, just my 0.02.

Overall this looks _super_ promising and I would love to consolidate my current workflow into one place. And there are great ideas here, unfortunately the UX (at least on iOS and specifically in regards to inking / touch input) just falls slightly short of the competition.

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

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Post by attasi »

ciarlill wrote: post #14

Some initial feedback after noodling around for 20 mins: Initially this looked like the perfect replacement for my notion + good notes setup. Inking is really important to my workflow so most of my feedback is around that. I also love having the calendar integrated into my daily notes. - Daily notes don't appear to be a surface so cannot be inked on? This is pretty vital for me. In GoodNotes I basically have a new no…

Hey, thanks for trying it out!

We agree there is plenty of room for improvement with our pen tool. It's an area we're constantly refining. We're hoping to get pressure in there soon.

Surfaces on Daily Notes has been highly debated by the team. On one hand, it would be pretty excellent to us. On the other, it could inhibit other workflows by adding too much cognitive overhead. Because you can create a Surface inline using `[[New Surface Name`, we have pushed this decision off for the time being. Would love your thoughts on how you would like it to work.

Would also love to know what makes a daily driver to-do app for you. Maybe we can work that in. Either way, thanks for all the feedback. It's very helpful!

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

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Post by attasi »

0x0000000 wrote: post #10

This looks really interesting, and you're speaking right to me with things like "infinite canvas" and "work in any direction", it's exactly what I've been looking for (and disappointed with current apps, e.g Miro). That said, I would never use something like this on a subscription model.

Hey, subscriptions aren't for everyone. We do offer a free plan with up to 1,000 blocks, so if you are diligent about cleaning up work later, you might be able to use it free for a while.

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

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Post by amznbyebyebye »

yodon wrote: post #5

Can you let me drag/add a slack message to a page with the message summary and link to the message just like I see when I reference a message somewhere in slack? I desperately want to be able to accumulate a stack of messages I need to follow up on or respond to, but without that auto-populating context thumbnail it's too hard to know which opaque link is which.

This would be awesome to have
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