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The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Resurrections was like someone saying, “Hey remember that awesome movie we made in the 90’s? Yeah that was so great…” Axiom: You can only see The Matrix for the first time, once.

Unfortunately, no one can be re-told what the Matrix is.

I watched that trailer so many times... The video file was 15 MB, very high quality for the time. Could only run it at around 5 fps.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Not surprised. The Movie was an utter trash cash grab hollywood sellout "look how meta and cool I am" let's shit on the original. If you liked it I'd love to know why?

It wasn’t a good movie and it wasn’t supposed to be. I personally disliked it enough to turn it off early but I imagine there’s enough contrarians around that when told by Wachowski through the 4th wall that its a forced piece of art and is going to be garbage - they’ll like it specifically for that reason.

Maybe they’ll even give it a positive review and good word of mouth to completely negate the director’s intention to undermine Warner Bros.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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It ebbs and flows with what is happening. Escapist fantasies are popular when times are hard. I feel times are hard now. Philidelphia and Leaving Las Vegas are two of my favorite movies, but I saw them when times were pretty good. However, I would enjoy an interesting movie about social issues being debated these days, just not with a Matrix backdrop and theme.

I think this is on you. Take a break from the news and from the chatter. I too read Lily's trans explanation for the Matrix. Unlike you, I wasn't triggered by the film. I didn't even think about it too much and, when I did think about it, it wasn't anything negative.

Getting triggered would be how some reacted to The Last Temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese. I was the opposite. I was untriggered by this Matrix. I'm uninterested because I predicted (correctly it seems) that this Matrix was going to be a dull and uninteresting film.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Yes. And the equipment. And the studio spaces. And the a-list actors/dir3ctors/producers who took home many millions each. 200million was once an insane budget (Waterworld) but with movies these day grossing into the billions (Endgame et al) 200mil is no longer a stretch.

Well, the total cost was reported as $190 million, so after the 1000 people get 100k, there is still 90mil to account for... I'm probably not up with the times, but I don't really see many actors in that film that would be classed as A-list (although the definition of that is somewhat loose). I really like Keanu, and he seems like a great guy, but I don't think he getting paid $20 million a film, although his popular…

Reeves was paid 10 to 14 million for this movie. That is base salary before other stuff, before his costs. So in terms of the budget, he alone is probably about 10% of the total cost to make this movie.

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Not sure if it applies to this particular link, but WeGotThisCovered is probably the worst website ever, full of clickbait. 90% (or more) of their news are clickbait straight lies, they don't care that's a lie as long as it is clickable and people comment it on Facebook. My favourite example is this one: https://wegotthiscovered.com/?s=emma+watson+reportedly&submi... They add "reportedly" just to any article that's 1…

Fwiw, my wife and I just watched the 2 hour Potter 20 years later thing that came out on HBO Max. She actually talks about coming in to audition. The only person they mention going to get is DR himself.

Emma Watson auditioned for the original Harry Potter films, they are talking about making her audition again for a remake (!)

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Apart from the first Matrix movie, which is amazing, have the Wachowskis actually made any other good movies? Was it just the case that they were surrounded by talented people in the first movie and listened to them? Then after it was successful they were like "we got this".

Bound? Cloud Atlas? Speed Racer? Reloaded, as a pure action flick? One thing I admire about the Wachowskis is their insane ambition. You either hate it or love it but let's not pretend like they were just lucky.

Cloud Atlas was a mess.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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First act was by far the strongest point!

It was like two movies. The first act was amazing, and the second was just a marvel clone. They should have just stuck with the meta self-referential in-matrix story for the whole movie. Furthermore, they could have taken it even further and epxlored the idea of onion layers of reality, with magical realms, multiple dimensions a la spiderverse, etc

I don’t understand how they made the marketing scene with so much self awareness and then failed to capitalize on it. It’s a really great start. They pretty successfully deconstructed it.

They could have played that note all the way to the end. They could also have triple down on matrix cliches awesomely to reconstruct it. But they fell is some shitty middle ground.

Man, they could have called it matrix: reconstruction and then done literally that.

Edit: I felt that while watching it. The scene where he enters the mirror and finds Neil Patrick Harris was a really compelling moment. I suspect there was a moment in the writing process where neo blue pills at that point instead. Sigh…

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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> questioning explicit intent is a bit silly. I'm not questioning their intent , I'm questioning whether they successfully expressed that intent in the movie.

You asked how the red pill was like estrogen pills. I don't think the Wachowskis said that part was intended though. Trans people noticed the parallels. I don't think they intended everyone would. They wanted to do more with it too. Switch's Matrix form was supposed to be male.

So what are the parallels, besides trivial color matching?

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Not surprised. The Movie was an utter trash cash grab hollywood sellout "look how meta and cool I am" let's shit on the original. If you liked it I'd love to know why?

I think most people that viscerally hate it came in with strong expectations. On its own I found it quite interesting. On the matrix reddit there are two "blue pill, red pill" threads that split apart the people that like it and don't, and for the people who like it there are some long essays explaining why, that I found heartfelt and well-reasoned. I have a theory that if people really liked Cloud Atlas and Sense8,…

Cloud Atlas is one of my favorite movies of all time. IMHO Resurrections isn't even in the same league as Cloud Atlas.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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> I honestly cannot tell if Lana Wachowski hates the Matrix or not. The movies and the production of them? Yes. The concept and story? No. > Did she honestly ruin it on purpose? Yes. I think she did.

Apart from the first Matrix movie, which is amazing, have the Wachowskis actually made any other good movies? Was it just the case that they were surrounded by talented people in the first movie and listened to them? Then after it was successful they were like "we got this".

They wrote the screenplay for 'V for Vendetta', which I thought was a pretty good movie.
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