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Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by coolso »

geenew wrote: post #34
noduerme wrote: post #27

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I live in Portland but spend most weekends at my gf's house in the country, near Chehalem, about a 15 minute drive from where the airplane is. It's a weird mix out there, because it's also wine country, so you have a lot of very wealthy landowners - some of whom aren't quite "locals" and are more socially liberal. The locals can really get into your business, though. Among other things, in our situation, some of the…

It all sounds so depressing and off the rails. Armed checkpoints, swastikas, outlandish beliefs. You hear about '2 americas' and see that people voted for trump, but hearing details like this makes the divide seem much starker.

I mean, there are plenty of outlandish stories of people from the other side. Doxxing, finding out where you work and getting you fired, burning and looting small businesses, setting up your own “autonomous zone”, getting incredibly worked up to the point of near mental breakdowns on Twitter over very minor issues, vandalizing property over “environmental crimes”, innocent people being accosted, harassed, and assaulted for wearing a red baseball cap with white letters on it or having a Trump bumper sticker, and so on.

It goes both ways but the media tends to sugar coat and/or gloss over one side more than the other.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by Symbiote »

rhtgrg wrote: post #46
UncleOxidant wrote: post #31

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> I tried going to an accountant out there and when I walked into her office for the first meeting, she was wearing a large gold swastika necklace. > It's manageable as long as you never get into conversations about politics and treat everyone with respect. I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their servi…

> I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their services and the reason why. I hope you walked out of there and found the services of a different accountant. It's probably good to have a dialogue about it, and you should note the person's ethnicity as well. Try Google imaging "hindu lucky symbol." I'm not en…

I was on the train last week opposite a couple of American tourists ranting about how racist Denmark was, after we passed the Carlsberg entrance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_Tower,_Carlsberg

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by heresie-dabord »

noduerme wrote: post #58
heresie-dabord wrote: post #52

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> It's manageable as long as you never get into conversations about politics and treat everyone with respect. "Manageable" in the sense that you avert the aggressivity of the lunatics in daily logistics. But respect is clearly not an outcome being achieved either at the local or the national level. You cannot respect a lunatic, and a wilful, broken mind will not respect reality.

> But respect is clearly not an outcome being achieved either at the local or the national level This is true in the large picture, and certainly any respect or trust you might build is being undermined daily by both the tone and content of what people see online. But on a personal level - not just tactically or logistically - I do think there's a chance of finding common ground if you talk to each person you encount…

I respect your kindness and I too believe in the value of education.

Your situation is comparable to that of a sane person in a madhouse. But I would call this strategy wariness in passage. You must respect them the way you would respect a rattlesnake on a hiking trail or a bear in bear country. The animal is unpredictable and you bargain to stay alive.

These people could be mad or their minds could be ruined by circumstances (e.g. incompetent parents, rejection of education). How the mad became so, and how their madness is perpetuated, is perhaps as simple sociologically as their never facing any material consequence for their ignorance. They have managed to earn money and reach advanced adulthood with a total mess inside their heads.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by irrational »

noduerme wrote: post #44
tristor wrote: post #38

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> but hearing details like this makes the divide seem much starker. I'm in a deeply red part of the country, most of my neighbors (all of whom are non-white) are hardcore Trump supporters. Exactly zero behave or talk like this. I am not saying what the grandparent described is false, rather I would suggest that the current political zeitgeist is exceptionally reactionary. In a state like Oregon, in a small town just…

It's true that if you tell anyone out there that you live in Portland, their first response is "I'm so sorry," followed up with "it's turned into such a shithole". This is always said to imply that it's not as white as it used to be , and people will get more specific if you let them. But most of them only know this from watching TV. They never go to the city even though it's less than 45 minutes away. So being close…

> it's turned into such a shithole". This is always said to imply that it's not as white as it used to be

Well, I live in Portland and they aren't entirely wrong. When I first moved here many decades ago it was a very clean city. Now, every vertical surface (even including highway signs) is entirely covered with graffiti. Nearly every horizontal surface is covered with homeless camps. I would still want to live in Portland over anywhere else I have lived, but I don't know how anyone could argue that the city has not gone way downhill over the past 5-10 years.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by HaydukeLives »

noduerme wrote: post #45
UncleOxidant wrote: post #31

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> I tried going to an accountant out there and when I walked into her office for the first meeting, she was wearing a large gold swastika necklace. > It's manageable as long as you never get into conversations about politics and treat everyone with respect. I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their servi…

We went to Pacific City a few months ago and ended up in a bar that had some huge "thin blue line" flags hanging inside. Got into a conversation with a guy who seemed to be a nice old pot-smoking hippie who'd moved out there to grow weed. Until about halfway through the conversation he started asserting that the "storm" was coming and Trump was the real president, and Biden was probably already in jail, and we'd just…

I moved to Coos Bay a little over ten years ago, and I am still as leftist as when I moved here. I think social media has a lot to do with people changing for the worst, whether here or anywhere else.

I agree Astoria is a much cooler vibe, I don't think I could handle the kind of rain that they get. In fact when it rains really hard here I call it a "Goonies Day" and put on an old VHS of The Goonies and point out all the familiar places in Astoria to my daughter.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by rainonmoon »

irrational wrote: post #64
noduerme wrote: post #44

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It's true that if you tell anyone out there that you live in Portland, their first response is "I'm so sorry," followed up with "it's turned into such a shithole". This is always said to imply that it's not as white as it used to be , and people will get more specific if you let them. But most of them only know this from watching TV. They never go to the city even though it's less than 45 minutes away. So being close…

> it's turned into such a shithole". This is always said to imply that it's not as white as it used to be Well, I live in Portland and they aren't entirely wrong. When I first moved here many decades ago it was a very clean city. Now, every vertical surface (even including highway signs) is entirely covered with graffiti. Nearly every horizontal surface is covered with homeless camps. I would still want to live in Po…

I'm assuming you only meant to quote the first part of GP's post but including the second part followed by "they aren't entirely wrong" makes it look like you're agreeing that it being less white than it used to be is why it's turned into a shithole. Do you really think those two things are connected?
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