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The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by goto11 »

zizee wrote: post #182
pessimizer wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wikipedia says the film cost $190m, which seems reasonable for a film like this And you can add half of that again for the marketing budget.

I have always assumed those numbers are fudged, and included marketing. I don't really know much about the industry, or what it take to make a film like this, but $100m is enough to pay 1000 people 100k. Did this film take that many people, that long to make? I would imagine CGI is reducing a lot of expensive things (like blowing up aircraft, and expensive location shoots).

Quality CGI is certainly not free. Pixar movies are all CGI but are still quite expensive productions because it require a lot of work by many highly skilled professional.

Just take a look at the credits at the end of a blockbuster movie to see how many specialized skills are required.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by CodeGlitch »

oliyoung wrote: post #82
titzer wrote: post #61

I saw it twice. I honestly cannot tell if Lana Wachowski hates the Matrix or not. There was this meta montage of "oh we have to make a sequel to the Matrix because the suits wanted it, everybody pile on stupid crap", which was obviously a middle finger to...someone. I laughed out loud at how over the top that blatant F-U was...but given that the movie proceeded to then actually crap on every single thing that was awe…

> I honestly cannot tell if Lana Wachowski hates the Matrix or not. The movies and the production of them? Yes. The concept and story? No. > Did she honestly ruin it on purpose? Yes. I think she did.

Apart from the first Matrix movie, which is amazing, have the Wachowskis actually made any other good movies? Was it just the case that they were surrounded by talented people in the first movie and listened to them? Then after it was successful they were like "we got this".

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by dgreensp »

> For every Spider-Man: No Way Home, Venom: Let There Be Carnage, No Time to Die, Dune, or Fast & Furious 9 that brings in big bucks, there’s a Space Jam: A New Legacy, The Suicide Squad, Tenet, or Raya and the Last Dragon that fails to turn a single penny of profit in theaters.

Tenet made plenty of money in worldwide box office sales, not counting DVD/Blu-Ray or streaming: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Tenet-(2020) "worldwide box office is 1.8 times production budget"

Raya (budget $100m) also made money in theaters alone (worldwide box office $116m) despite being released in March 2021. Phew, I was going to be sad for a moment that Raya was some kind of failure, as if being included in a list that contained the new Space Jam movie wasn't bad enough.

Whoever wrote this article doesn't seem to know what they are talking about.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by tinus_hn »

oliyoung wrote: post #41
blhack wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much did HBO pay for the streaming rights? I would have bought 3 tickets to this, but watched it on HBO instead.

> How much did HBO pay for the streaming rights? They wouldn't -have paid- anything, HBO is owned by Warner too edit: ...they wouldn't have to have paid anything..

And that’s how you end up losing $100 million on paper.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by dereg »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #262
oliyoung wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I honestly cannot tell if Lana Wachowski hates the Matrix or not. The movies and the production of them? Yes. The concept and story? No. > Did she honestly ruin it on purpose? Yes. I think she did.

Apart from the first Matrix movie, which is amazing, have the Wachowskis actually made any other good movies? Was it just the case that they were surrounded by talented people in the first movie and listened to them? Then after it was successful they were like "we got this".

Bound? Cloud Atlas? Speed Racer? Reloaded, as a pure action flick?

One thing I admire about the Wachowskis is their insane ambition. You either hate it or love it but let's not pretend like they were just lucky.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by vegai_ »

By what I've heard about it in various chat boards and RLM, this movie seems very interesting to me. Much more so than a "Matrix 1 remake" could have been. I tried to watch it in cinema, but unfortunately all the good theaters were fully booked.

Waiting for the HBO release next month.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by dereg »

tunesmith wrote: post #112
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #54

Not surprised. The Movie was an utter trash cash grab hollywood sellout "look how meta and cool I am" let's shit on the original. If you liked it I'd love to know why?

I think most people that viscerally hate it came in with strong expectations. On its own I found it quite interesting. On the matrix reddit there are two "blue pill, red pill" threads that split apart the people that like it and don't, and for the people who like it there are some long essays explaining why, that I found heartfelt and well-reasoned. I have a theory that if people really liked Cloud Atlas and Sense8,…

You nailed it. Cloud Atlas is one of my favorite movies of all time and, yet, it is like cilantro – some people love it, some people hate it. The opinions about the movie are so polar that I feel it's genetic. I also enjoyed Resurrections and think it's less cynical that others assert it is.

Do you have links to those essays? I would love to

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by zizee »

goto11 wrote: post #261
zizee wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always assumed those numbers are fudged, and included marketing. I don't really know much about the industry, or what it take to make a film like this, but $100m is enough to pay 1000 people 100k. Did this film take that many people, that long to make? I would imagine CGI is reducing a lot of expensive things (like blowing up aircraft, and expensive location shoots).

Quality CGI is certainly not free. Pixar movies are all CGI but are still quite expensive productions because it require a lot of work by many highly skilled professional. Just take a look at the credits at the end of a blockbuster movie to see how many specialized skills are required.

Sure thing, I get that. There are around 1500 people listed as being involved in the making of the matrix resurrections. That is a lot of people. But I'd bet that the vast majority of them did not work on it full time, for over 6 months each:

From Wikipedia:

> Filming started in February 2020 but was halted the next month by the COVID-19 pandemic. Wachowski toyed with the possibility of shelving the project and leaving the film unfinished, but the cast insisted that she finish it. Filming resumed in August 2020, concluding three months later.

I am happy to admit I don't really know what I am talking about. All my info is either a quick google and some gut feelings around projects. Happy to be told otherwise by someone with experience in the industry, or with references.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix_Resurrections

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt10838180/fullcredits

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by vegai_ »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #207
minimaxir wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was rumored that WB would have made another Matrix without Wachowski involvement if she had not agreed to it. Who knows how that would have turned out.

Sure ok, but so what? What kind of person (allegedly) sinks a movie franchise out of spite? How about… Not do that and put effort into everything you do? IDK. Not sure I buy this and think it’s possible the Wachowskis that made the first movies are gone, and this was a good effort. ♬don’t let money change ya♬.

>What kind of person (allegedly) sinks a movie franchise out of spite?

Is it spite to not want your baby to become another Marvel/Star Wars clusterjerk? Perhaps it is, but I think she's allowed that. I don't think the world needs more of those, but it will always need more art and critique.

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