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Re: I quit caffeine

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Post by cycomanic »

can16358p wrote: post #80
cycomanic wrote: post #68

One of the best investments I've ever made was a good espresso machine and grinder (Rancilio Silvia and Rocky for those who know something). Espresso coffee tastes so much better than drip (I really hate French press so that's not even a comparison). I find espresso also much more agreeable. While I feel jittery after several cups of drip I find I would need to drink a lot more (unrealistic amounts) espresso coffee f…

About the withdrawal symptoms: anything that you substitute in place when you don't drink coffee? When I don't drink at morning I always have headache after a few hours, and I'd like to see any non-caffeinated (natural) substitutions that'd keep the headache away.

Typically I would drink juice or maybe a tea, but nothing would pay attention to.

Re: I quit caffeine

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Post by eurasiantiger »

can16358p wrote: post #74
mkaic wrote: post #67

I grew up in a house where coffee wasn't allowed, so I've actually never had it before. I have avoided nearly all caffeine my whole life out of habit (one of those cases where a rule you grow up with sticks with you even if the original justification for it didn't). Drinking a Coke is enough to make me bounce off the walls. I've often wondered what would happen to me if I tried coffee or an energy drink, but based on…

That bouncing off effect might be related to sugar too. If you really want to see caffeine's effects you might "microdose" a quarter of a cup of filtered coffee or a half shot of espresso, without mixing it with anything but water.

That will give you coffee effects, not caffeine effects. Coffee contains a LOT of monoamine oxidase inhibitors.

The only way to ingest pure caffeine is to take a pill.

Re: I quit caffeine

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Post by eurasiantiger »

lambdaba wrote: post #125
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #106

> I need a quick fix. I make a Nespresso. It's good enough. I'll make a french press after this cup wakes me up. Sounds like you approach caffeine like an addict. Coffee is actually good for you though: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/coffee-be...

Coffee the plant may be good, caffeine the molecule is not. There are other things in coffee that may be helpful, but caffeine is a poison and only that, I think there is no debating that (but I'm interested if anybody has hints to the contrary).

Exactly the opposite. There are a lot stronger psychoactives in coffee than caffeine is, and some of them are neurotoxic.

Re: I quit caffeine

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Post by eurasiantiger »

SunlightEdge wrote: post #221

I love the taste of coffee. Unfortunately I can't drink it as I get a near euphoric high followed by unpleasant hyperactivity and weird anxiety. Seriously. It's so unpleasantly strong for me. Tea I can drink but I don't touch it during work hours.my problem is having too much energy so I drink a lot of red bush tea during work hours. It's very calming.

You are sensitive to the monoamine oxidase inhibitors in coffee. I assume you don’t get the same effects if you consume only pure caffeine?

Re: I quit caffeine

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Post by xcambar »

oneplane wrote: post #253
xcambar wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coffee snobs are leagues ahead in terms of snobbery of any other snobbery I know. And I am from a wine heavy culture, so born and raised in snobbery. And your comment highlights everything that can be irritating about coffee enthusiasts. Every paragraph is quote-worthy. Almost climactic. I don't know what has triggered such an elite-like culture in coffee but it never ceases to amaze/amuse.

You're probably reading in to it too much. I wrote about 3 personal experiences, 1 generalisation and 1 thing about tea in there, and a joke about coffee snobbery making your life harder. I'd compare wine snobbery to the coffee snobbery that is about beans that have to be eaten by a cat and pooped out to be "good". I think those are illegal in most countries anyway, but that's about the same level of nonsense as a 20…

> I'd compare wine snobbery to the coffee snobbery that is about beans that have to be eaten by a cat and pooped out to be "good".

That is a profoundly unfair comparison, but ok.

Re: I quit caffeine

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Post by eurasiantiger »

TheSocialAndrew wrote: post #84

Caffeine is delivered quite differently based on the brewing method. I find that 4 or more shots of espresso a day will lead to an eye twitch, while one or two cups of Philz deliver the caffeine far more smoothly. French press seems to be somewhere in between, the extraction is different than pour over. Philz's extraction time is even shorter than a regular pour over. They use a lot more beans than Blue Bottle but th…

This has very little to do with extraction and everything to do with temperature and time (pyrolysis) and the subsequent formation of various monoamine oxidase enzyme inhibiting heterocyclic aromatic amines from protein amino acids.

Re: I quit caffeine

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Post by neoromantique »

I tried quiting caffeine and excess sugar (Obscene amounts of sugary drinks is my vice, not coffee) and it was even worse!

I've been completely dysfunctional for weeks, and first week I basically slept through, i.e sleep for 15 hours, wake up for an hour or so and head back to sleep.

I couldn't get off sugar completely (or get it to healthy numbers), because my brain just wouldn't function without a hit, but I reduced my intake considerably since then (5x).

I stopped ordering Coke in crates for one :shrug:, still hopeful to find solution to this while my insulin levels are normal and it's not too late.

Re: I quit caffeine

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Post by majkinetor »

I quit it 6 mo ago. My random muscles stopped trembling after 3 moths, and they did it for 10 years.

Now when I drink one, the day passes and one starts trembling again.

Re: I quit caffeine

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Post by can16358p »

123pie123 wrote: post #114
can16358p wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About the withdrawal symptoms: anything that you substitute in place when you don't drink coffee? When I don't drink at morning I always have headache after a few hours, and I'd like to see any non-caffeinated (natural) substitutions that'd keep the headache away.

>When I don't drink at morning I always have headache after a few hours for me in the past that would be a warning sign to cut back on the number of cups a day. I've settled on two espresso's a day I have a bean to cup machine and to cut back I would miss one cup or make it weaker

I'm already on no more than two espressos, yet I have it if I don't drink it.
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