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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by freewilly1040 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #830
nradov wrote: post #753

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The virus isn't going away. No matter what you do with masks and other measures you'll eventually be exposed. The most you can do is delay it a bit. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

Even if it's true that infection is inevitable (it's not true), delaying infection is a good idea, to reduce the immediate strain on the hospital system.

The hospital strain is caused by staffing shortages, not an overwhelming number of patients.

Those staffing shortages are in turn caused by strict quarantines for people who are asymptomatic but test positive.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/COVID-San-Francisco-s...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by bradlys »

hnuser847 wrote: post #834
standardUser wrote: post #742

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...consideration for personal liberty has gone by the wayside..." Can you truly say these things with a straight face, in light of the countless laws banning voluntary consumption of drugs and the millions of harsh prison sentences that have been handed out for breaking those laws? People literally lose their freedom - they are put in poorly-maintained cages - for exercising their personal liberty in that fashion. T…

Both liberals and conservatives are massive hypocrites. Neither ideology has a consistent set of beliefs when it comes to personal liberty. Both will use arguments from personal liberty when it's for something they support and will conveniently forgot about those arguments for issues they don't support. Liberals support "my body, my choice" when it comes to abortions, but they don't want you to have a choice over whe…

This is true with almost any ideology to some extent though when you use reductive arguments like that. My body my choice to put C4 explosives all over it and detonate it in a crowded area. Yet - who supports that? Probably no one.

Also - the Covid vaccine is really more like religion in that - most parents are fine with vaccinating their children. But like religion - now they’re choosing which vaccines (gods) they don’t believe in and it mostly comes down to tradition. There’s almost no logical thought in it.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by JSoet »

ostenning wrote: post #827
maerF0x0 wrote: post #762

Between the 2nd dose putting me in the ER with myocarditis which no one warned me about the risk of, and a $3500 medical bill due, being told I could be maskless and free if I got the "vaccine"[1], getting covid anyways and it being nbd, and then learning that the CDC redefined the meaning of "vaccine" for this treatment[2] (imo "immunotherapy" would be a more understandable word) -- yeah I'm done. I'm not risking an…

Same here. Still have heart inflammation 4 months after my second dose of Pfizer. I remember when the statistics were “1/1000000”, and now its 1/10000 for boys 12-17 [1]. In my opinion its insanity to give this to children, especially now that omicron is here. [1] - Table 2, https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safe...

I mean, I'm not an expert by any means, but the link you shared also says "Myocarditis is seen much more commonly in people who become infected with COVID-19 than in people who are vaccinated. A preliminary study from the United States(link is external) found the rate of myocarditis in young men after COVID-19 is approximately 45 cases per 100,000 infections"... So, a higher incidence among people with infections than vaccinations, so if you're suggesting to just let everyone get infected... Anyway, I think it's really difficult to weigh the risk when we're dealing with such small numbers (0.045% vs 0.01%), and we don't know all the data.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by jgod »

amelius wrote: post #870
claytongulick wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that you phrase it that way, because I was thinking exactly the same thing, but from the opposite direction. I caught covid early, and while (for me) it was a nasty bug, I recovered with nothing more than a lingering cough for several weeks. Against enormous pressure I decided not to get vaccinated. Everything I read supported that natural immunity is at least as protective as the vaccine, and most s…

Look, if science made an error, then that is a huge opportunity for an army of other scientists to point it out. That's how science works. Don't make the mistake to think that an armchair scientist can outsmart them all with just some basic reasoning perhaps based on personal anecdotes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by treelovinhippie »

ostenning wrote: post #827
maerF0x0 wrote: post #762

Between the 2nd dose putting me in the ER with myocarditis which no one warned me about the risk of, and a $3500 medical bill due, being told I could be maskless and free if I got the "vaccine"[1], getting covid anyways and it being nbd, and then learning that the CDC redefined the meaning of "vaccine" for this treatment[2] (imo "immunotherapy" would be a more understandable word) -- yeah I'm done. I'm not risking an…

Same here. Still have heart inflammation 4 months after my second dose of Pfizer. I remember when the statistics were “1/1000000”, and now its 1/10000 for boys 12-17 [1]. In my opinion its insanity to give this to children, especially now that omicron is here. [1] - Table 2, https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safe...

There's also a side effect that isn't reported at all in the TGA's weekly reports and risk stats: costochondritis and/or myalgia.

I had 3 weeks of intense chest pains after 1st Pfizer and another week of mild chest pains after the 2nd dose. All tests normal. Four separate doctors said it was a common side effect and they had no idea what it was.

Now 3 months after my 2nd dose I still get chest discomfort after lifting weights, and have had to quit caffeine entirely as it results in days of chest pains after physical activity. Didn't have those issues prior.

Vaccine-induced costochondritis seems to fit best.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by throwawaylinux »

snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

I'm not going to get vaccinated, and it is out of pride and the principle of it. I'm fortunate that I probably won't lose my job and if I did I would be fine financially. And I am in the age and health range where the absolute benefit of getting vaccinated is vanishingly small. So I don't pretend I'm some martyr or sacrificing for my principles. But it is my own small personal protest.

I have many reasons. Unrepentant corrupt, incompetent, and lying governments and pharmaceutical corporations are among them. But the biggest ones are my anger for coercion and threats of financial ruin people have suffered; the collectivization of health and personal responsibility; and finally I just don't like the way I'm spoken to about it and so I take great pleasure in the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the ruling class enraged by the commoners who refuse to bow down and submit to them.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by rexf »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #366
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

My whole family had covid last February including my three young children including one under 1. The children had the mildest symptoms. If you are worried about your children getting covid then I hope you never let near a car as they are much more likely to die in a car crash than covid. If you want to continue locking your self up fine, I don't care. Just don't try to force others to do the same.

This is an extremely poor comment.

How does not wanting a child to get an infectious disease get extrapolated to never going near a car? They are not comparable at all.

Also OP is not asking you to stay home. They are merely concerned about minimizing harm to their child (as parents do) and hoping the <5 y.o. vax approval comes sooner than later.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by landemva »

ostenning wrote: post #827
maerF0x0 wrote: post #762

Between the 2nd dose putting me in the ER with myocarditis which no one warned me about the risk of, and a $3500 medical bill due, being told I could be maskless and free if I got the "vaccine"[1], getting covid anyways and it being nbd, and then learning that the CDC redefined the meaning of "vaccine" for this treatment[2] (imo "immunotherapy" would be a more understandable word) -- yeah I'm done. I'm not risking an…

Same here. Still have heart inflammation 4 months after my second dose of Pfizer. I remember when the statistics were “1/1000000”, and now its 1/10000 for boys 12-17 [1]. In my opinion its insanity to give this to children, especially now that omicron is here. [1] - Table 2, https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safe...

I am curious how heart inflammation can be measured at home. I would like to start recording a baseline for myself.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by fivea »

mizzack wrote: post #246
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

> There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

You're making it sound like contracting covid is a one-and-done thing.

Yet, it isn't. Far from it. People already caught it multiple times, from multiple strains, some with deadly consequences.

Furthermore, thus non-chalant approach to covid actually contributes to it's spread and consequently increases chances that an unmanageable strain pops up. I mean, since the initial epidemic at Wuhan, we already saw the inception of at least two new strains which were deadlier and more contagious.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by cat_plus_plus »

afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

I also don't want anyone in my family to get COVID, vaccinated or not. But my wishes are irrelevant when our suburb's school district got 600+ cases 4 days. We will all get exposed in a few weeks unless we live like hermits. And if we do, we will get exposed within a few weeks of coming out of bubblewrap. New vaccines are not going to be approved in time to protect anyone.

So instead of agonizing about the inevitable, we just live our lives and focus on all the other ways we can improve our health and safety. We had months long scratchy cough from swine flu before, didn't stop traveling because of that, will not stop now.

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