Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
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Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
#2So I am actually from Edina, I don’t currently live there but my parents do. The context of this is a string of robberies and crimes not normally seen in this suburb. Edina is generally seen as a safe suburb, and all of the recent crime came on very sudden.
I don’t agree with the program, but since I have some context around it, I thought I’d add to the conversation.
[0]: https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/12/11/edina-pd-offers-5k...
Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
#3Human behavior that tends to self-imprison on a large scale is fascinating to me.
In the west we see communities opting in to self surveillance 100% of the time, in China it can be literally having your door welded shut so you stay at home.
It all stems from the desire to control other people’s behavior to varying degrees. This desire is probably tied to a survival trait, but more often it is to satisfy something else.
Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
#4Human behavior that tends to self-imprison on a large scale is fascinating to me. In the west we see communities opting in to self surveillance 100% of the time, in China it can be literally having your door welded shut so you stay at home. It all stems from the desire to control other people’s behavior to varying degrees. This desire is probably tied to a survival trait, but more often it is to satisfy something els…
Or it could be that humans don't respond well to uncontrolled crime. Unless you have experienced crime directed to you, it is easy to judge other's reactions.
Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
#5So I am actually from Edina, I don’t currently live there but my parents do. The context of this is a string of robberies and crimes not normally seen in this suburb. Edina is generally seen as a safe suburb, and all of the recent crime came on very sudden. I don’t agree with the program, but since I have some context around it, I thought I’d add to the conversation. [0]: https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/12/11/edi…
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Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
#6Human behavior that tends to self-imprison on a large scale is fascinating to me. In the west we see communities opting in to self surveillance 100% of the time, in China it can be literally having your door welded shut so you stay at home. It all stems from the desire to control other people’s behavior to varying degrees. This desire is probably tied to a survival trait, but more often it is to satisfy something els…
Who in this program is surveilling or imprisoning themselves?
Having a camera on your house, pointed into the street, is the opposite of self-surveillance. It's a way to surveil people in a public thoroughfare. Some of those people happen to be thieves who steal things from homes and cars, and if they get caught by video surveillance, that's great.
What exactly do the neighborhood residents lose by participating in this surveillance? It's only an upside for them -- they might be able to catch the thieves, with no loss of privacy for themselves.
Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
#7Human behavior that tends to self-imprison on a large scale is fascinating to me. In the west we see communities opting in to self surveillance 100% of the time, in China it can be literally having your door welded shut so you stay at home. It all stems from the desire to control other people’s behavior to varying degrees. This desire is probably tied to a survival trait, but more often it is to satisfy something els…
If you let privacy rights be preserved by democracy, they will not be preserved, as the vast majority of people have:
a) not much to lose from secret information being divulged
b) not much secret information in the first place
It is really only a tiny minority that actually practically need privacy rights: prominent people, public figures, the wealthy, highly attractive people, alternative lifestyles, political or labor organizers, those speaking truth to power, et c.
We are a very small segment of the population by real numbers. Most people dgaf about privacy because they don't have to, so they never will.
Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
#8Human behavior that tends to self-imprison on a large scale is fascinating to me. In the west we see communities opting in to self surveillance 100% of the time, in China it can be literally having your door welded shut so you stay at home. It all stems from the desire to control other people’s behavior to varying degrees. This desire is probably tied to a survival trait, but more often it is to satisfy something els…
If you let privacy rights be preserved by democracy, they will not be preserved, as the vast majority of people have: a) not much to lose from secret information being divulged b) not much secret information in the first place It is really only a tiny minority that actually practically need privacy rights: prominent people, public figures, the wealthy, highly attractive people, alternative lifestyles, political or la…
>...It is really only a tiny minority that actually practically need privacy rights
Just about everyone needs privacy rights and most care about those rights for themselves. Unfortunately many are very willing to sacrifice other people's rights if they are told it will make them safer or protect the children, etc. (If someone does claim they don't care about privacy since 'they have nothing to hide', ask them for their medical records and tax returns - all of a sudden they do care.)
Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
#9A few of the comments here seem to have not read the article. This is an opt-in program that effectively creates a map with contact info of private citizens with cameras. When something nefarious happens in a particular area, the police can reach out to the people who put themselves on the map and ask if they have footage and are willing to share it. The police already and have always done this.
Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program
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