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Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by Syonyk »

obelos wrote: post #32

Also in Oregon, Wings & Waves is an indoor water park where the four big slides start out in a jet mounted to the roof: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2042334,-123.1495756,172m/da...

Yes, but it's also next to the Evergreen Aviation Museum, which is absolutely worth stopping at if you're in the area! And, actually, is worth most of a day to visit.

I was there earlier last year and we took the time to go through the Hughes HG-1 (aka "Spruce Goose"). It's an excellent museum on the west coast!

https://www.sevarg.net/2021/04/24/evergreen-aviation-museum/

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by rpmisms »

snorrah wrote: post #22
xnx wrote: post #10

It's amazing how over-spec'ed (in some categories) for housing plane is: air-tight, heavy thermal and noise insulation, built to withstand winds of hundreds of miles-per-hour. It's a shame we can't build something like the iPhone or Tesla of housing.

iPhone, sure. Tesla? Not a chance. Their build quality is abysmal.

They're still overbuilt in certain aspects, as are iPhones. I think the comparison is "doing much more than what you would think the bare minimum is".

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by geenew »

tristor wrote: post #38
geenew wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It all sounds so depressing and off the rails. Armed checkpoints, swastikas, outlandish beliefs. You hear about '2 americas' and see that people voted for trump, but hearing details like this makes the divide seem much starker.

> but hearing details like this makes the divide seem much starker. I'm in a deeply red part of the country, most of my neighbors (all of whom are non-white) are hardcore Trump supporters. Exactly zero behave or talk like this. I am not saying what the grandparent described is false, rather I would suggest that the current political zeitgeist is exceptionally reactionary. In a state like Oregon, in a small town just…

Thanks for saying this.

Any rapprochement must focus on the relative moderates on either side of the spectrum. Trying to bring together people more than one or two standard deviations from the mean is likely impossible and also likely unnecessary in the grand scheme.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by noduerme »

tristor wrote: post #38
geenew wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It all sounds so depressing and off the rails. Armed checkpoints, swastikas, outlandish beliefs. You hear about '2 americas' and see that people voted for trump, but hearing details like this makes the divide seem much starker.

> but hearing details like this makes the divide seem much starker. I'm in a deeply red part of the country, most of my neighbors (all of whom are non-white) are hardcore Trump supporters. Exactly zero behave or talk like this. I am not saying what the grandparent described is false, rather I would suggest that the current political zeitgeist is exceptionally reactionary. In a state like Oregon, in a small town just…

It's true that if you tell anyone out there that you live in Portland, their first response is "I'm so sorry," followed up with "it's turned into such a shithole". This is always said to imply that it's not as white as it used to be, and people will get more specific if you let them. But most of them only know this from watching TV. They never go to the city even though it's less than 45 minutes away.

So being close to Portland might explain part of their allergic reaction to hippies. But I'm not sure if it's the whole issue. Oregon isn't just a red state with one dark-blue enclave. It also has a history of extremist white nationalism going back well over a century since its foundation a whites-only state. Then, in the 1980s and onward it became a destination for white nationalist groups, along with Idaho and eastern Washington. Grant's Pass and Medford, in particular, are hotbeds of extremism.

Another little anecdote. When I was relatively new to town, I struck up a conversation with an intelligent, pretty woman sitting outside a bar one day. She grew up in Grant's Pass. We hit it off and chatted for almost two hours before I mentioned I was Jewish. She got a stricken look and said, "oh - that's the one kind of person my Dad would kill me if I ever brought home." I asked why and she said, "He loves Adolf Hitler". She went on to explain that her father kept all of Hitler's speeches around the house. She said she wasn't into "any of those politics". Well, so much for that one.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by noduerme »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #31
noduerme wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Portland but spend most weekends at my gf's house in the country, near Chehalem, about a 15 minute drive from where the airplane is. It's a weird mix out there, because it's also wine country, so you have a lot of very wealthy landowners - some of whom aren't quite "locals" and are more socially liberal. The locals can really get into your business, though. Among other things, in our situation, some of the…

> I tried going to an accountant out there and when I walked into her office for the first meeting, she was wearing a large gold swastika necklace. > It's manageable as long as you never get into conversations about politics and treat everyone with respect. I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their servi…

We went to Pacific City a few months ago and ended up in a bar that had some huge "thin blue line" flags hanging inside. Got into a conversation with a guy who seemed to be a nice old pot-smoking hippie who'd moved out there to grow weed. Until about halfway through the conversation he started asserting that the "storm" was coming and Trump was the real president, and Biden was probably already in jail, and we'd just wait and see, any day now.

Personally, I prefer Astoria. No beach, but it's a cooler vibe.

[edit] Just to add, I have a (non-Jewish) uncle who retired to Coos Bay. He's become one of the most extremist and racist people I've ever met, in addition to being a hardcore anti-vaxer. He wasn't like that when I was a kid. Living in that environment changed him radically for the worse.

re: the accountant, I left. I wrote her an email explaining why I couldn't work with her. She apologized and said she didn't realize what it was, that it was a gift from her daughter, something about their Finnish heritage, and it was supposed to be horse heads. I found a nice Jewish guy to do my taxes.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by rhtgrg »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #31
noduerme wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Portland but spend most weekends at my gf's house in the country, near Chehalem, about a 15 minute drive from where the airplane is. It's a weird mix out there, because it's also wine country, so you have a lot of very wealthy landowners - some of whom aren't quite "locals" and are more socially liberal. The locals can really get into your business, though. Among other things, in our situation, some of the…

> I tried going to an accountant out there and when I walked into her office for the first meeting, she was wearing a large gold swastika necklace. > It's manageable as long as you never get into conversations about politics and treat everyone with respect. I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their servi…

> I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their services and the reason why. I hope you walked out of there and found the services of a different accountant.

It's probably good to have a dialogue about it, and you should note the person's ethnicity as well.

Try Google imaging "hindu lucky symbol." I'm not entirely convinced that a people should be forced to entirely give up on a symbol they were using first, before it got misappropriated.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by UncleOxidant »

rhtgrg wrote: post #46
UncleOxidant wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I tried going to an accountant out there and when I walked into her office for the first meeting, she was wearing a large gold swastika necklace. > It's manageable as long as you never get into conversations about politics and treat everyone with respect. I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their servi…

> I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their services and the reason why. I hope you walked out of there and found the services of a different accountant. It's probably good to have a dialogue about it, and you should note the person's ethnicity as well. Try Google imaging "hindu lucky symbol." I'm not en…

sure, if the person was Indian it would be another story - given the location I doubt they were talking about an Indian accountant. Then again, I've worked with a lot of Indians and never saw any of them wear a swastika necklace.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by rhtgrg »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #47
rhtgrg wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their services and the reason why. I hope you walked out of there and found the services of a different accountant. It's probably good to have a dialogue about it, and you should note the person's ethnicity as well. Try Google imaging "hindu lucky symbol." I'm not en…

sure, if the person was Indian it would be another story - given the location I doubt they were talking about an Indian accountant. Then again, I've worked with a lot of Indians and never saw any of them wear a swastika necklace.

> given the location I doubt they were talking about an Indian accountant

Possibly. As an Indian I'd just appreciate it if people were given the opportunity to have a dialogue around this. I agree that there are many cases where such dialogue is not warranted, of course.

A reply to your comment is perhaps not the best place for this, since I don't disagree with you, but am merely trying to have a somewhat relevant yet ultimately orthogonal discussion.

Personally, I've been forced to give it a wide berth for obvious reasons, as I imagine many Indians you know have too. However, if you came into my home you'd be able to find a few swastikas — I'm not even religious, it's just on gifts from friends and family.

> I've worked with a lot of Indians and never saw any of them wear a swastika necklace

Most Indians don't wear it, but that still leaves a lot who do. I'd also imagine that there's some selection bias going on when you consider only the people you've worked with. If you googled it you'd have noted that most images are clearly of pendants.

Re: A man who lives in a Boeing 727 in Oregon (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

noduerme wrote: post #45
UncleOxidant wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I tried going to an accountant out there and when I walked into her office for the first meeting, she was wearing a large gold swastika necklace. > It's manageable as long as you never get into conversations about politics and treat everyone with respect. I mean, I'm going to have a hard time treating a person wearing a swastika necklace with respect - I'm going to let them know that I will not be using their servi…

We went to Pacific City a few months ago and ended up in a bar that had some huge "thin blue line" flags hanging inside. Got into a conversation with a guy who seemed to be a nice old pot-smoking hippie who'd moved out there to grow weed. Until about halfway through the conversation he started asserting that the "storm" was coming and Trump was the real president, and Biden was probably already in jail, and we'd just…

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