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The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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I couldn't have imagined that the fourth would be the worst, though. Not only silly and pointless (I don't care if Neo and Trinity are together, I care about the nature of reality and the fate of humanity), but without Yuen Woo Ping, even the action was trash. I can't stand the parade of superhero movies, but I'd be hard put to think of one I wouldn't have preferred to this. I fell asleep an hour in, tried it again t…

>I care about the nature of reality and the fate of humanity i don't think you'll find that in a film

I found it in the first Matrix.

edit: and the third one at least looked like some advanced level of Galaga, and that was pretty alright.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Any reason to believe that this is an instance of Hollywood Accounting? At a glance, wikipedia says the film cost $190m, which seems reasonable for a film like this, and only received $124.5m in box office sales. Conversely, wikipedia lists Harry Potter OotP as a "150–200 million" budget on $942m in box office sales. It's certainly possible this is a case of Hollywood Accounting, but is there any particular reason we…

> wikipedia says the film cost $190m, which seems reasonable for a film like this And you can add half of that again for the marketing budget.

I have always assumed those numbers are fudged, and included marketing.

I don't really know much about the industry, or what it take to make a film like this, but $100m is enough to pay 1000 people 100k. Did this film take that many people, that long to make?

I would imagine CGI is reducing a lot of expensive things (like blowing up aircraft, and expensive location shoots).

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Space Jam: A New Legacy, The Suicide Squad, Tenet, the Matrix. Not a great run for WB.

All the talk about sequels and creativity or lack thereof upthread made me remember- has anyone watched the WB movie Reminiscence that came out last year, also on HBO Max?

The trailer looked very promising, a nice sci-fi noir dealing with memory and identity, but the reviews for it have been horrid. So much for Hollywood trying new ideas.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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It's no Existenz ;-)

All those three movies were my teenage-hood, with which I had no-one to share. Watched them with some friends, whose reactions were all "meh". Philistines!

How about The Truman Show?

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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The first time I saw Resurrections, I was lol'ing at the brainstorming montage, as I saw it as her explicitly sticking her finger in the eye of all the haters and crackheads out there. But the second time it was cringe. I mean, the first Matrix was this unabashedly bad-ass movie that was so fresh, and then by the time number 4 rolled around, it hates itself and everyone else so much that most of the screen time is sp…

I think there's a way to make Matrix 4 that looks upon its own legacy and destroys that baggage, "kill your darlings" and all that, and even maybe many of the scenes filmed in this one could be present in that movie. But the film we saw in theaters is not the quality version of that meta-textual film, it is often very confusing with poor writing, execrable action scenes, and plot that is far less clever than its ambi…

I rewatched the original recently and that dialogue is not exactly a strong point either. Really devoid of subtly or even the barest hint of humor. A pretty unbelievable amount of exposition, telling rather than showing.

I think I looked past it when it came out because I was a kid, and the world building was interesting to me.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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I think the saying "set and setting" applies to movies as much as it does to psychedelics. I was hyped to watch it, I was nicely toasted, I watched it as soon as it came out, and it did everything right in my book. For starters, it grabbed me from the get-go: the shot of a SWAT operator's foot stepping into a puddle was totally gorgeous. Everything else that happened was interesting as hell - a program being evolved…

>an agent realizing he's Morpheus

This is not "amazing" it's hack writing and made no sense. Unfortunately that set the tone for the rest of the movie.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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I think the saying "set and setting" applies to movies as much as it does to psychedelics. I was hyped to watch it, I was nicely toasted, I watched it as soon as it came out, and it did everything right in my book. For starters, it grabbed me from the get-go: the shot of a SWAT operator's foot stepping into a puddle was totally gorgeous. Everything else that happened was interesting as hell - a program being evolved…

I’m absolutely with you here. I walked into it having intentionally avoided the trailers, and treating the whole existence as a thrown-bone, a “here’s one last throwback to something truly special, in a time when we could all use some familiarity,” while remaining self-aware, and tongue-in-cheek. It knew what it was, looked that right in the face, and said ‘don’t take it too seriously.’ And I didn’t, and it was great…

>one last throwback

If only. Alas, I doubt it.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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I actually quite liked the expansion on the lore and mythology of the movie. Also the new blue-haired actress lit up every scene she was in. More of her please!

I just couldn't understand how someone who was as much as a perfectionist when it came to groundbreaking movie making would poop out something so unpolished and cheap looking. The lighting was uninspired, the choreography was lazy, the camera work was exceptionally amateur, and shaky-cam, really?!

When I saw the bus scene from Shang-Chi, that was the level of work and detail I was expecting when they were on that Tokyo train.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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post #61

I saw it twice. I honestly cannot tell if Lana Wachowski hates the Matrix or not. There was this meta montage of "oh we have to make a sequel to the Matrix because the suits wanted it, everybody pile on stupid crap", which was obviously a middle finger to...someone. I laughed out loud at how over the top that blatant F-U was...but given that the movie proceeded to then actually crap on every single thing that was awe…

Is it possible that the movie just sucked?

Everyone on here dancing around that possibility due to...reasons.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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post #114

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