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The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

pessimizer wrote: post #92
anm89 wrote: post #7

They killed the matrix with 2 and 3 being so terrible. that ship had sailed

I couldn't have imagined that the fourth would be the worst, though. Not only silly and pointless (I don't care if Neo and Trinity are together, I care about the nature of reality and the fate of humanity), but without Yuen Woo Ping, even the action was trash. I can't stand the parade of superhero movies, but I'd be hard put to think of one I wouldn't have preferred to this. I fell asleep an hour in, tried it again t…

I’m not sure I buy the sabotage claims.

Warner Brothers isn’t going to hand $200 million over to any single person and just be like “well, I guess we get what we get!”.

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Post by oliyoung »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #138
oliyoung wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I honestly cannot tell if Lana Wachowski hates the Matrix or not. The movies and the production of them? Yes. The concept and story? No. > Did she honestly ruin it on purpose? Yes. I think she did.

What kind of person would take something of their own and ruin it like that? Tons of people loved the matrix, just let it be.

Plenty of people. Part of the act of creation can be it's destruction https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/oct/14/banksy-...

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by mattacular »

I thought it was pretty good. Was only really disappointed that there weren't more groundbreakingly cool action sequences along the lines of what we got in 1 and 2. It's actually refreshing that it didn't do nonstop fan service like most reboots of hugely popular franchises. I respect the choices she made a lot.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by chrisseaton »

newsbinator wrote: post #134
pessimizer wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wikipedia says the film cost $190m, which seems reasonable for a film like this And you can add half of that again for the marketing budget.

It seems like it wasn't marketed very much: I didn't realize it was in production, about to be released, or... released. I just happened to see it online ready to watch one day and watched 2/3rds of it before giving up.

Yeah it seems they knew it was awful and just kind of dumped it out.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by Apocryphon »

sgarman wrote: post #127
brandmeyer wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Wachowskis were told the reboot would be going ahead with or without them. The writers made this part of the plot of the repeating inner world. Between that moment and the painful scenes of the game designers' cyclic rounds of buzzword bingo, I agree that the movie was at least trolling the WB executives.

> trolling the WB executives In my mind that's undeniably true. The question I want to know is why was the rest of the movie so bad, was that also bad on purpose or just poor execution?

The pandemic probably affected the production grievously.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by crispyambulance »

titzer wrote: post #61

I saw it twice. I honestly cannot tell if Lana Wachowski hates the Matrix or not. There was this meta montage of "oh we have to make a sequel to the Matrix because the suits wanted it, everybody pile on stupid crap", which was obviously a middle finger to...someone. I laughed out loud at how over the top that blatant F-U was...but given that the movie proceeded to then actually crap on every single thing that was awe…

Yeah at one point during one of tiresome chase scenes that was packed with gun play and slow-motion action, I recall one of the actors said “I hate bullets!”

Totally believable to me that the filmmakers just “dialed-it-in” for a pile of money without caring for the story. After all they were already “done” after the first movie. Too bad. Tragically, that same pile of money could have funded a dozen innovative new filmmakers and actors with fresh stories to tell.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by chrisseaton »

jgalt212 wrote: post #86
romwell wrote: post #2

Uh huh. Sure. There's a reason they call it Hollywood Accounting[1]. Not that Warner Brothers is new to this game either: >A Warner Bros. receipt was leaked online, showing that the hugely successful movie Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix ended up with a $167 million loss on paper after grossing nearly $1 billion. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

Dumb question: how is Hollywood accounting not fraud? I know there have numerous civil court cases over differences of "opinion" over incentive compensation calculations, but has anyone actually gone to jail?

What would you charge them with? They claim the costs for things like licensing and services are legitimate. How do you prove they aren't? What is the correct charge for a licence or service except for what two companies agree?

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by ruined »

pessimizer wrote: post #92
anm89 wrote: post #7

They killed the matrix with 2 and 3 being so terrible. that ship had sailed

I couldn't have imagined that the fourth would be the worst, though. Not only silly and pointless (I don't care if Neo and Trinity are together, I care about the nature of reality and the fate of humanity), but without Yuen Woo Ping, even the action was trash. I can't stand the parade of superhero movies, but I'd be hard put to think of one I wouldn't have preferred to this. I fell asleep an hour in, tried it again t…

>I care about the nature of reality and the fate of humanity

i don't think you'll find that in a film

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by XorNot »

sam0x17 wrote: post #101
oliyoung wrote: post #52

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> This movie had to be a troll. Not so much a "troll", but there's a scene in the first act that literally lays out the entire premise of the production and the creator's feelings about feeling forced to do it. There are "lampshade hanging" fourth-wall breaks in the production meeting scenes that make Deadpool look conservative. The Wachowskis didn't want to do more Matrix. Warner were going to do more Matrix regardl…

Hot take: I was a huge fan of the original matrix trilogy and the animatrix, and while it wasn't what I expected, I enjoyed the film. In the late 90s, we had this whole thing of the corporate drone. That's sort of dead now. Instead we have millennials and zoomers with their spunk and crippling anxiety and standups and fair trade and breaking of fourth walls, and meta, etc, etc. It just feels like the original trilogy…

Since the 90s the concept of the corporate drone has only increased. Swap out Neo in a cubicle for Amazon warehouse worker, and you've got "the Matrix is keeping you on a tighter leash now".

I find it very odd that people swear the themes wouldn't work today.

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