Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

nbcnews.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

681–690 of 695 posts

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#681

Post by giraffe_lady »

yucky wrote: post #623
javagram wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. Anyone who went to an open bar or a packed church service in the USA in December 2020 can tell that governors and the courts were both very sensitive to business and religious concerns about impact on worship, business…

>0.3% is the case only after torturing statistics Ironic, since a 0.3% (or 0.6%) fatality rate is vastly exaggerated for people in low risk groups. The only reason the number is even that high is due to the high death tolls of people in high risk groups.

> The only reason the number is even that high is due to the high death tolls of people in high risk groups.

The only reason the fatality rate is that high is because people died? What are you trying to say here? What else would it measure?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#682

Post by giraffe_lady »

ya_throw wrote: post #559
dekerta wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The disease has a 0.3 risk of fatality, still less for Omicron I'm not sure what you mean by "0.3 risk". 0.3% case fatality rate? But where are you getting that number from? COVID19 had roughly a 2% CFR early on when testing was limited and treatments hadn't been developed. It was around 1% for most of the pandemic. It is *now* as low as 0.3% in highly vaccinated countries, but still about 0.5% in the US. It has be…

>It has been one of the deadliest pandemics in history. By percentage of global population, I beg to differ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics It also overwhelmingly killed the very elderly, an age category which didn't even exist at the times of most of those other pandemics in the list.

> an age category which didn't even exist at the times of most of those other pandemics in the list

They exist now though? And they died, so we must count them among the dead. Nothing else makes sense here.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#683

Post by defen »

javagram wrote: post #673
native_samples wrote: post #667

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you define "neighbour" to mean literally anyone, which isn't what it means. gjsman is using the word neighbour correctly to mean someone who physically lives next to you, which is dystopian because it effectively extends the power of law enforcement inside the walls of everyone's homes to criminalize normal pro-social behaviour, and does so by manipulating and exploiting the bonds that form robust communities…

Neighbors reporting each other for crimes is a good thing. Codes of silence between neighbors are what lead communities to cover up murders and refuse to talk to police. I suppose the actual issue here is the “pro social” behavior piece. I haven’t actually heard of any U.S. state where significant fines or enforcement of private home gathering sizes was done after a few months in March, most states relied on the hono…

> Neighbors reporting each other for crimes is a good thing. Codes of silence between neighbors are what lead communities to cover up murders and refuse to talk to police.

People voluntarily gathering in defiance of COVID restrictions is a classic "victimless crime". Comparing it to covering up a murder is an example of the type of hyperbolic language that makes it impossible to have a rational discussion about policy.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#684

Post by yucky »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #681
yucky wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>0.3% is the case only after torturing statistics Ironic, since a 0.3% (or 0.6%) fatality rate is vastly exaggerated for people in low risk groups. The only reason the number is even that high is due to the high death tolls of people in high risk groups.

> The only reason the number is even that high is due to the high death tolls of people in high risk groups. The only reason the fatality rate is that high is because people died? What are you trying to say here? What else would it measure?

Let's try this another way. If you're healthy and under 50 your odds of dying from covid are roughly on par with being struck by lightning.

Better?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#685

Post by rhizome »

throwawayboise wrote: post #40
rhizome wrote: post #22

I think one thing that will make the history books is how little innovation or adaptation there was in educational technology, rendering a truly depressing set of prospects for learning over the pandemic. A lot of companies have made a LOT of money in edutech going back to the 90s CDROM days and what do students get when the system escapes these companies's grasp and students need some real imagination put to the mat…

What were they supposed to do? They had about two weeks to go from fully in-classroom to fully-remote with no warning, in the middle of the school year. I don't care what kind of technology you have, that is going to be a clusterfuck.

What were they suppposed to do? Of course they had to limp along for a bit, but it's been almost two years now and as far as I've heard (I don't have children), it's status quo where they aren't trying to force kids back into the classroom. Try to remember the first time you heard the term "distance learning." I think it's been at least 10 years for me.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#686

Post by rhizome »

geoduck14 wrote: post #77
throwawayboise wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What were they supposed to do? They had about two weeks to go from fully in-classroom to fully-remote with no warning, in the middle of the school year. I don't care what kind of technology you have, that is going to be a clusterfuck.

>They had about two weeks to go from fully in-classroom to fully-remote Yeah, and then they had 2 years to rethink it

This is exactly my point.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#687

Post by rhizome »

sirspacey wrote: post #95
rhizome wrote: post #22

I think one thing that will make the history books is how little innovation or adaptation there was in educational technology, rendering a truly depressing set of prospects for learning over the pandemic. A lot of companies have made a LOT of money in edutech going back to the 90s CDROM days and what do students get when the system escapes these companies's grasp and students need some real imagination put to the mat…

Having started an edtech startup & had many friends do the same I promise you, it is not the companies who are failing to deliver innovative in education They cannot survive the way schools decide how to buy software - I.e. district level admins are the only ones with decision making power.

What, are there innovations that are gathering dust because of the decision style of a bureaucracy? I find that hard to believe, that new ideas wouldn't have leaked out to the startups in this space (Coursera, etc.). Obviously even the Ubers of Learning aren't doing anythnig different than 5 years ago or we would be seeing Super Bowl ads from them, because the effect and implications would be seismic. Imagine if suddenly classes were able to be as effective as anybody has been wanting, which is to say "noticeably more effective." What if it wasn't a grid of facetimes anymore? I think that would probably be a big deal.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#688

Post by rhizome »

geoduck14 wrote: post #73
rhizome wrote: post #22

I think one thing that will make the history books is how little innovation or adaptation there was in educational technology, rendering a truly depressing set of prospects for learning over the pandemic. A lot of companies have made a LOT of money in edutech going back to the 90s CDROM days and what do students get when the system escapes these companies's grasp and students need some real imagination put to the mat…

I would like to point out a subtle distinction: There was a lot of strong pivots in education. It's just that all (most?) of them were bad ideas. My point is, you can still innovate and adapt while finding 1000 wrong ways to do something

Are those bad ideas documented anywhere?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#689

Post by medvezhenok »

simplestats wrote: post #318
medvezhenok wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is actually a wealth transfer. Think of houses as denominated not in USD, but in labor hours (let's say median wage). If the house price appreciates in labor hours, that is actually a wealth transfer from those performing labor to those holding on to capital (and vice versa). In reality it's a little bit more complicated since the financing cost of the house has to be considered (principal + interest over the life…

So labor is wealth now? This is the same argument again. I could also discover oil on my property, or build a bigger house on it with my own labor, or all the other houses could get destroyed in an earthquake. Or, on the other side, someone could invent a new process or tool that makes your skills obsolete. Or a million immigrants could show up and bid labor prices down. These all change the amount of labor I will wa…

Yes, real wealth (and paper wealth) shifts around constantly depending on external factors, including all of the factors you listed above. Wealth is just optionality - if my house is worth $1M I have more options than if the my house is worth $500K, even if it is the same exact house.

Yes, labor is how wealth is produced, but in a sense, an individual's labor is more than that: a person's unrealized wealth is the discounted future value of their lifetime income minus necessary survival expenses. That's not a constant number - it depends on the individual's choices, but nevertheless, that is some number. And that number has some associated optionality.

If we increase the price of houses, the optionality associated with that future stream of earnings decreases, and therefore I believe that wealth has actually been transferred (since the optionality of the homeowner increases)

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

#690

Post by giraffe_lady »

yucky wrote: post #684
giraffe_lady wrote: post #681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only reason the number is even that high is due to the high death tolls of people in high risk groups. The only reason the fatality rate is that high is because people died? What are you trying to say here? What else would it measure?

Let's try this another way. If you're healthy and under 50 your odds of dying from covid are roughly on par with being struck by lightning. Better?

I'm neither so not really.
Post reply on HN