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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by dpark »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #762

Between the 2nd dose putting me in the ER with myocarditis which no one warned me about the risk of, and a $3500 medical bill due, being told I could be maskless and free if I got the "vaccine"[1], getting covid anyways and it being nbd, and then learning that the CDC redefined the meaning of "vaccine" for this treatment[2] (imo "immunotherapy" would be a more understandable word) -- yeah I'm done. I'm not risking an…

> the CDC redefined the meaning of "vaccine" for this treatment[2] (imo "immunotherapy" would be a more understandable word) -- yeah I'm done.

What is it with antivaxxers and their complaints about the definition of vaccination? They complained that the definition was changed to include a new way of conferring immunity. They complained that the definition was posted to be more accurate.

Vaccines have never been 100% effective for any disease I’m aware of. It’s entirely reasonable that the CDC would change the definition to be clearer.

Edit: “Immunotherapy” is also definitely not a more understandable word. Half of immunotherapy is dedicated to making the immune system do less.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by ctyc »

mizzack wrote: post #246
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

I had the exact same thing happen with my three kids (ages 11, 8, and 2). My wife and I had it a little worse, flu like symptoms for 3 days followed by cough and stuffiness. I would say that we are fortunate to have gotten omicron which has mild symptoms, and this also seems like a situation where you can run, but you can’t hide from this particular variant.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by notquitehuman »

mrkramer wrote: post #759

>This year, COVID is on pace to kill more than 300,000 unvaccinated people who would, quite likely, avoid death by getting two or three shots. For the record vaccinated people die too.

What’s the case fatality rate for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by zzzeek »

LouisSayers wrote: post #610
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

There's research coming out that shows the vaccines are causing heart inflammation (1) in younger people, so I'd show some caution in getting kids vaccinated. I'm not sure how it compares to the effects of covid itself, just something to think about / read up on to make an informed decision. 1) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

flagged. the virus itself is much more dangerous in this regard, it's right in the study:

> We estimated extra myocarditis events to be between 1 and 10 per million persons in the month following vaccination, which was substantially lower than the 40 extra events per million persons observed following SARS-CoV-2 infection.

> Whilst myocarditis can be life-threatening, most vaccine-associated myocarditis events have been mild and self-limiting. The risk observed here is small and confined to the 7-day period following vaccination, whereas the lifetime risk of morbidity and mortality following SARS-CoV-2 infection is substantial.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by e40 »

mizzack wrote: post #246
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

I know about 10 people that have had Omicron or have it now. Very few had a mild response. Most have been hit like it was a bad flu.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by lern_too_spel »

asabjorn wrote: post #559
afavour wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of regret even mentioning the effects of COVID in my original comment as I figured there would be a reply like yours and you're not wrong! But it wasn't the main point I was trying to make. My main point is that everyone just seems to have moved on from under 5s. We've adopted a stance of "vaxxed and done" for adults and older children and paid no attention to the vax trials for under 5s taking forever. It's b…

Covid deaths amongst children was lower in 2020 than from the flu the year before with a severe Covid strain, 400 deaths vs 600 deaths from flu year before, and faced with a tame Omicron variant the FDA decided to skip the science advisory panel for childhood vaccines [1] because they last time denied the request. The way this is handled is unscientific, and has no balance of risk vs reward. Moreover, the government…

Why are you comparing across years? How many children died of the flu in 2020 during lockdowns and social distancing?

Moreover, the governed don't want the actions of others to kill them. That's why they created a government that prevents others from polluting, driving dangerously, and spreading disease.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by ostenning »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #762

Between the 2nd dose putting me in the ER with myocarditis which no one warned me about the risk of, and a $3500 medical bill due, being told I could be maskless and free if I got the "vaccine"[1], getting covid anyways and it being nbd, and then learning that the CDC redefined the meaning of "vaccine" for this treatment[2] (imo "immunotherapy" would be a more understandable word) -- yeah I'm done. I'm not risking an…

Same here. Still have heart inflammation 4 months after my second dose of Pfizer. I remember when the statistics were “1/1000000”, and now its 1/10000 for boys 12-17 [1].

In my opinion its insanity to give this to children, especially now that omicron is here.

[1] - Table 2, https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safe...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by mleonhard »

toshk wrote: post #368

Of course people are done with it. Vaccinations were sold as the solution to the pandemic. Yet worldwide infections are going up at the same speed if not faster than before vaccinations. But no policy maker acknowledges this. They refer to the lowered death rate, or blame a new variant. But it means that policy that gave people more freedom because of their vaccination status are not having any significant effect on…

Vaccines were never expected to stop the pandemic. They were expected to stop people from dying from the pandemic. They are doing that. So far, vaccines have saved 1.1M Americans from dying from covid and saved 10.3M Americans from needing hospital treatment for covid [0].

Preventable Covid-19 cases can lead to higher health and life insurance rates. Firing employees who refuse the vaccine is smart business.

Vaccine mandates save the government a lot of money in several ways:

- US government pays $770B a year for medical care for older people and poor children [1]. Covid cases increase those costs. Fortunately, vaccines prevent most cases and reduce severity of all cases.

- US government has 23M veterans and pays $40B a year for their medical care [2]. Covid cases increase those costs. Fortunately, vaccines prevent most of the cases.

- When a person goes to the hospital and cannot pay, the hospital takes a loss and reduces the tax they pay. Hospitals write off about $40B in uncompensated care every year [3]. Uncompensated covid care makes those numbers bigger and taxes lower. Fortunately, vaccines prevent most serious covid cases.

- Workers can't work when they have covid or their dependents have covid. Covid sickness reduces economic output. Because taxes only apply to profits and most businesses have low margins, small reductions in revenue cause large reductions in taxes. Fortunately, vaccines reduce severity of all cases, so people recover more quickly and workers can get back to work faster.

[0] https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/there-is-good...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)

[2] https://www.va.gov/vetdata/docs/QuickFacts/Expenditures_quic...

[3] https://www.aha.org/fact-sheets/2020-01-06-fact-sheet-uncomp...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by maerF0x0 »

dpark wrote: post #821
maerF0x0 wrote: post #762

Between the 2nd dose putting me in the ER with myocarditis which no one warned me about the risk of, and a $3500 medical bill due, being told I could be maskless and free if I got the "vaccine"[1], getting covid anyways and it being nbd, and then learning that the CDC redefined the meaning of "vaccine" for this treatment[2] (imo "immunotherapy" would be a more understandable word) -- yeah I'm done. I'm not risking an…

> the CDC redefined the meaning of "vaccine" for this treatment[2] (imo "immunotherapy" would be a more understandable word) -- yeah I'm done. What is it with antivaxxers and their complaints about the definition of vaccination? They complained that the definition was changed to include a new way of conferring immunity. They complained that the definition was posted to be more accurate. Vaccines have never been 100%…

You're not entirely wrong that terms need to be updated from time to time and to match new technological details. I agree with redefining the difference between weakened portions of a virus vs (as i understood it) spike proteins produced within us ... What I personally dont agree with is redefining the success % (about 80%?) and a target of a vaccine to mean "You wont get hospitalized" (as opposed to you will have no observable symptoms). The real issue at hand is that the public has an understanding of what a "vaccine" means to them, and that public definition and the establishment provided new definition are grossly different. I'm not a fan of being told what a word means by overlords who control the definitions of language.

I'm not an antivaxxer per se, people should do what they want, but I'm pretty unimpressed with what we got in the box that said "Vaccine".

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by TameAntelope »

nradov wrote: post #753
titzer wrote: post #113

I've gone through cycles with this. Mostly I am done arguing. I hate arguing about this. It's just more of the culture war shit that so many different media sources love pushing to keep people amped up. I double vaxxed and boosted. Stopped wearing a mask for the most part, but with Omicron I started wearing a mask again because I just don't want this stupid virus. I'm healthy and would probably not have a symptomatic…

The virus isn't going away. No matter what you do with masks and other measures you'll eventually be exposed. The most you can do is delay it a bit. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

Even if it's true that infection is inevitable (it's not true), delaying infection is a good idea, to reduce the immediate strain on the hospital system.
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