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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by Bhilai »

BTCOG wrote: post #697
neuronic wrote: post #583

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How is it so hard for you people to understand that we shut down society because the health system is stressed at unforeseen levels? I mean just ask your fellow emergency workers how their life is right now.

Just ask my close emergency worker friends and family? They're mostly unwilling to get vaccinated, understand this more than yourself, and they think it's endemic and pointless to get the vaccine. They usually bring up the fact they all have MRSA in their noses and on all their surfaces all day long and they'll get over it. They've all had COVID. Immunocompromised people will continue to die from pnuemonia, flus, etc…

> Just ask my close emergency worker friends and family? They're mostly unwilling to get vaccinated ...

What? My uncle (father's real brother) is a doctor and he is fully vaccinated and boosted. Two other cousins are doctors are vaccinated and boosted. My wife's side of family has several in nursing and administration staff at hospitals, all of them are boosted. Most of the hospitals these folks mentioned above are associated with have fully vaccinated staff.

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Post by aklemm »

mschuster91 wrote: post #609
aklemm wrote: post #551

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Right on, and I can’t believe how seldom it’s heard. The current work-life-society bargain is terrible and we should expect terrible results until it’s re-negotiated.

Those in power (and many of the population on HN, I dare bet) have nannies, au-pairs and other forms of easing the load of child raising, so they don't feel the pressures. Those who bear the full load have no representation in politics, either by socioeconomic class (most representatives are highly privileged) or by ethnic history (non-citizens cannot vote, even if they have permanent residence and pay taxes).

And the “family values” folks, oddly, are no help.

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Post by nradov »

titzer wrote: post #113

I've gone through cycles with this. Mostly I am done arguing. I hate arguing about this. It's just more of the culture war shit that so many different media sources love pushing to keep people amped up. I double vaxxed and boosted. Stopped wearing a mask for the most part, but with Omicron I started wearing a mask again because I just don't want this stupid virus. I'm healthy and would probably not have a symptomatic…

The virus isn't going away. No matter what you do with masks and other measures you'll eventually be exposed. The most you can do is delay it a bit.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

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Post by mavhc »

rhino369 wrote: post #476
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #345

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> RSV is more dangerous than COVID-19 for most small children. Children don’t exist in isolation. They’re phenomenally good at spreading every infection to the rest of the household and everywhere else they go. Trying to focus on children's outcomes and ignoring all of the second-order effects is dishonest. Children don’t live alone.

It's society's job to protect children, not the other way around. Closing schools while opening bars is huge failure of leadership.

Line 1: I'd like to protect them from becoming orphans

Line 2: Agreed, close bars, no one needs more drug addicts

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Post by supernova87a »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #397
supernova87a wrote: post #322

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I don't quite understand -- you went to the hospital for what original reason then, if it wasn't Covid?

One of the many reasons we had hospitals before covid? I'm not the person you asked but I don't see why it matters what their specific health concern was. There are many reasons to go to a hospital both emergency and not.

I'm just trying to understand, they went to the hospital for a totally unrelated reason to Covid or even suspicion of Covid, and then contracted Covid at the hospital.

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Post by antihipocrat »

nostrademons wrote: post #248
ya_throw wrote: post #162

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Are you saying that until young kids can get vaccinated, it is not safe enough to remove shutdown protocols for preschools? Parent of 2 very young kids here btw - it's been brutal, I feel your pain. Frankly, our kids get enough other diseases from nursery that a months-long scratchy cough doesn't sound too terrifying.

The challenge is the lack of data on long-term effects of COVID. Preliminary studies have linked it to cognitive declines [1], diabetes [2], and chronic fatigue [3]. And while death from COVID in a preschooler is about a 1-in-100,000 occurrence, long COVID and other chronic outcomes seem to be much more common. I've heard figures of about 5% or 1 in 20. Few parents would willingly sign their preschooler (or themselve…

It looks to me like most people here are making the same argument, just applying it to different sides of the debate.

There is a lack of data on the long term effects of the disease, as well as the recommended treatment.

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Post by testplzignore »

belorn wrote: post #631
mizzack wrote: post #246

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You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

I would be much more concerned about omicron. The flu is very unlikely to have any long term effects as long one keep an eye on the fever. We don't know about the long term effects of omicron. What we do know about covid is for example fatigue and long term lung damage, both which can have very debilitating effects on health, wealth and social well being. Lung damage in particular can be hard to detect without doing…

Off the top of my head, influenza can cause permanent damage to the lungs, kidneys, heart, and brain (sorry, I'm lazy and not providing citations).

I'm not saying this to downplay the effects of Covid/Omicron, but rather to make the point that long-term damage from "mild" infections is not new. What matters is how many people are affected. Omicron will undoubtedly ruin the lives of some people who recover from the initial infection.

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Post by lordloki »

McGlockenshire wrote: post #632
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #475

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I'm not convince we did beat it. For decades people would ask, "why is there no vaccine for the cold or flu like smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox?" and the answer was that they were fast evolving corona viruses and you cannot vaccinate for those. Then suddenly we have one this time. But it's efficacy drops - according to Pfizer's own trial - to ~47% after six months. And people "double vaxxed and bo…

> And people "double vaxxed and boosted" still get it. And still die from it. The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is 91% effective in preventing the COVID-19 virus with symptoms in people age 16 and older. The Moderna COVID-19 vaccine is 94% effective in preventing COVID-19 with symptoms. Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine. In clinical trials, this vaccine was 66% effective in preventing the COVID-19 virus w…

Those numbers are laughable. Look around there are 100s of thousands of vaccinated people testing positive in the US daily! Those numbers may have been true against the original version of covid-19, but they are way off now.
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