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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by halfmatthalfcat » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:48 PM UTC

rhino369 wrote: post #476

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #345

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> RSV is more dangerous than COVID-19 for most small children. Children don’t exist in isolation. They’re phenomenally good at spreading every infection to the rest of the household and everywhere else they go. Trying to focus on children's outcomes and ignoring all of the second-order effects is dishonest. Children don’t live alone.

It's society's job to protect children, not the other way around. Closing schools while opening bars is huge failure of leadership.

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by standardUser » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:48 PM UTC

TimTheTinker wrote: post #376

snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

"...consideration for personal liberty has gone by the wayside..."

Can you truly say these things with a straight face, in light of the countless laws banning voluntary consumption of drugs and the millions of harsh prison sentences that have been handed out for breaking those laws? People literally lose their freedom - they are put in poorly-maintained cages - for exercising their personal liberty in that fashion. That has been standard procedure in this country for generations with little dissent. Yet the voices that seem the loudest against vaccine mandates (voices that barely exists for the dozen or so other vaccine mandates over the generations) don't seem to be speaking up to these far more grievous and damaging violations of personal liberty.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by jorblumesea » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

myk9001 wrote: post #671

jorblumesea wrote: post #477

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But you spread the virus, so it's not just about your own personal experience.

You spread it too. Assuming we're both vaccinated, we both spread it at an equal rate. I accept the risk of sharing air with you. If you don't, in my opinion, it's your responsibility to avoid contacts with me.

That's not relevant. The original point was: "If you want to continue locking your self up fine, I don't care. Just don't try to force others to do the same."

That's a terrible response because regardless of your vaccination status, you still have an impact. Just saying "I make my choices, you make yours" is a complete misunderstanding of the entire viral nature of this.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by ballenf » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

sys_64738 wrote: post #653

mizzack wrote: post #246

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You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

What about "long COVID"? There are some studies suggesting sudden spikes in kids becoming diabetic after having COVID. These long term health impacts will take years to be known and fully understood. Getting COVID is to be avoided at all costs, IMO.

> Getting COVID is to be avoided at all costs

What does that mean and how is it not self-defeating? As in presumably one avoids covid due to its adverse impact on quality of life. But if you're willing to fully sacrifice your quality of life, then my assumption must be flawed.

What's the value you're maximizing here?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by halfmatthalfcat » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:51 PM UTC

standardUser wrote: post #742

TimTheTinker wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

"...consideration for personal liberty has gone by the wayside..." Can you truly say these things with a straight face, in light of the countless laws banning voluntary consumption of drugs and the millions of harsh prison sentences that have been handed out for breaking those laws? People literally lose their freedom - they are put in poorly-maintained cages - for exercising their personal liberty in that fashion. T…

No, the freedumb that the commenter you're replying to only exists in their head. Freedom is whatever they want it to be and nothing at the same time. Compare the US's COVID response to China and then try to talk about freedoms.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by josephcsible » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:51 PM UTC

yupper32 wrote: post #740

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

I still don't understand how people don't get that recommendations change . It's like two years in, how are people not getting how this works?

Because when the recommendations change, it's usually a "we were wrong all along" change, not a "the recommendations were right before, but now circumstances have changed" change.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by nathanaldensr » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:52 PM UTC

seph-reed wrote: post #502

TimTheTinker wrote: post #376

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> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

Why not both? Personal conscience and conviction -- as overwhelmingly stupid as the vast majority of people are with or without it -- is at least extremely important for the minority of people who end up being front-runners for society. But so too is society a super-organism, in which we are but cells. And cells which actively spread disease for their own sake are kind of independent to a flaw: cancerous one could sa…

Are you implying that some people are "cancer" and deserve to be eradicated? Why not just come out and say what you really mean without the plausible deniability and euphemisms?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by notch656a » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:52 PM UTC

valachio wrote: post #682

Melatonic wrote: post #247

I know everyone is tired of this shit but I just want to remind everyone of one thing: This is the FIRST time humanity has come together and actually come up with a way to beat a virus WHILE a global pandemic is still ongoing. At no other time in history have we even had the option of a solid way to protect ourselves like we do now. I think instead of focusing on how awful the past few years have been this is an impo…

There is also the possibility that we will look back on history and realize how hysteria and media fearmongering drove human society to take wholly unnecessary measures and paved a path towards more authoritarianism, more surveillance, a financial crisis due to the government printing trillions of dollars which a lot of it is going into the stock market and driving up companies to insane valuations, creating a genera…

This is the most truth I've seen packed into a few sentences in the past two years regarding what's happened.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by Jerrrry » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:52 PM UTC

twiddling wrote: post #664

Jerrrry wrote: post #561

The best thing everyone can do is to go get Omnicron, give it to everyone quickly, so that we can all synchronize our collective immune effort. Quarantine is the antithesis to that, and can throw away this opportunity. Don't get vaccinated, get Omnicron. Go get Omnicron, and give it to everyone, before we miss this small window.

wtf?

Would you like me to explain what a god-send Omnicron is?

Or do you want me to explain what happens if we miss this chance at a collective immune response.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by xyzzyz » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:53 PM UTC

analog31 wrote: post #672

afavour wrote: post #435

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I kind of regret even mentioning the effects of COVID in my original comment as I figured there would be a reply like yours and you're not wrong! But it wasn't the main point I was trying to make. My main point is that everyone just seems to have moved on from under 5s. We've adopted a stance of "vaxxed and done" for adults and older children and paid no attention to the vax trials for under 5s taking forever. It's b…

Going further, we've moved on from the un-vaccinated in general. My problem is that even though I live in a bubble with 100% vaccination rate among my relatives and friends (most of our kids are older), I can't quite make peace with just letting the un-vax'd kill one another off. And there seems to be no middle ground.

Are you at peace with motorcycle riders? They also die at disproportionate rates. Try to think about unvaccinated as motorcycle riders: living and risking death the way they enjoy it.