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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by p1mrx »

csdvrx wrote: post #238
celtain wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months? Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.

I'd be glad to take boosters on any schedule, if only for said boosters we were using the mRNA advantage of short lead time and quick iteration to target the ACTUAL strain, not the one from 2 years ago...

Pandemics are likely to happen more regularly now that global travel is widespread, so I imagine a future where all the major viruses get tossed into a 6-12 month mRNA "antivirus update".

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by nradov »

notJim wrote: post #595
TimTheTinker wrote: post #376

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> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

I'm very skeptical of this thesis. Biden's mandate (I'm assuming this is what you're referring to) was not announced until September of last year, and there was already very significant vaccine refusal by that point. Up until that point, they had been doing exactly what you want, and vaccination had essentially stalled.

Biden had stated in December 2020 that he wouldn't impose a mandate.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-joe-biden-no-vaccines-ma...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by jquery »

afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

As someone with a kid in daycare, stay close to the science. Young children are at low risk, the primary danger of them getting it is spreading it through the community. My daycare takes reasonable precautions and does contact tracing when a case appears, and follows CDC and professional medical guidelines, and until Omicron they kept Covid out completely. There’s been more cases at the center in the last two weeks than the entire year before that. All I can do is stay current on my vaccines and wear a mask where appropriate.

Anyway, keep doing your best. There are those of us who still have empathy for you, even if many want to bully you as some sort of coward for being cautious around a novel virus that’s killed 1 million Americans and disabled countless others.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by will4274 »

haswell wrote: post #40
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

> There would have been so much less confusion if they were consistent with their communication from the start I think it's worth considering a different framing: > "There would have been so much less confusion if COVID variants and transmission/hospitalization/death rates remained consistent from the start" It's easy to call out the communication, and don't get me wrong, it surely could have been better. But I often…

It's easy to blame changing science. Science always changes.

But let me ask you this. Are we going to need a fourth shot / second booster in 2022? I'd say it's almost certain. Find me a public health authority who is saying this in the United States. I can't.

There's some legitimately changing facts. But there's also nonsense, like health officials saying masks don't help with a respiratory disease, that has nothing to do with changing facts.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by beerandt »

georgekv wrote: post #647
afavour wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of regret even mentioning the effects of COVID in my original comment as I figured there would be a reply like yours and you're not wrong! But it wasn't the main point I was trying to make. My main point is that everyone just seems to have moved on from under 5s. We've adopted a stance of "vaxxed and done" for adults and older children and paid no attention to the vax trials for under 5s taking forever. It's b…

The biggest reason the under 5s vaccine is taking so long is that they don't suffer severe enough symptoms that they can easily test the efficacy of the virus. The same issue was there with the 5-11s but pharma, CDC, & FDA just glossed over that to approve the vaccines.

>The biggest reason the under 5s vaccine is taking so long is that they don't suffer severe enough symptoms that they can easily test the efficacy of the virus.

How does anyone convince themselves that this is actually a problem?

Especially when the vaccine no longer prevents catching the virus or transmitting it.

What remaining benefit are people so eager to confer upon their toddlers?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by will4274 »

sophacles wrote: post #64
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

So what you're saying is the government should have predicted the future perfectly, and given Post-Omicron guidelines months before it emerged?

I'd appreciate if the government could just predict the future as well as hacker news. It doesn't need to be perfect. Look, they're gonna tell us to get booster again in 2022. I know it. You probably know it. Everybody knows it. Why haven't the CDC said it?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

zarzavat wrote: post #531
bb123 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let the chips fall where they may == “I survived with no consequences so I don’t care what happens to anyone else”

That's an uncharitable reading of it. A charitable reading of it might be "We've done everything we can do, there's nothing left to do now but roll the dice"

But there's a lot we can do concerning vaccinations, mandates and social distancing. I'm not sure why it's on the reader to fish for a charitable reading of a comment devoid of any nuance.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by jquery »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #463
edmundsauto wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we aren’t shutting society down because of the risk of C19 to small children either. The risk to children is part of that, but the risk to the adults who care for them is another reason. Additionally, staffing levels are impacted because the adults who have it. Also, generically, when we have a super spreadable disease, we want to minimize transmission. This is done as a precaution against mutation (the more infe…

At this point, Omicron is looking like its going to vaccinate a large portion of the population, especially the more folks resistant to vaccination. My hope is that Omicron is the real first step to herd immunity.

Let’s hope.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by vanusa »

q1w2 wrote: post #383
titzer wrote: post #113

I've gone through cycles with this. Mostly I am done arguing. I hate arguing about this. It's just more of the culture war shit that so many different media sources love pushing to keep people amped up. I double vaxxed and boosted. Stopped wearing a mask for the most part, but with Omicron I started wearing a mask again because I just don't want this stupid virus. I'm healthy and would probably not have a symptomatic…

I'm just happy to have a good excuse to wear a mask on an airplane. I always used to get sick after flights.

Same here, and you shouldn't be downvoted for this. Flying is just gross.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by yupper32 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

I still don't understand how people don't get that recommendations change. It's like two years in, how are people not getting how this works?
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