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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by avidphantasm »

madcaptenor wrote: post #417
avidphantasm wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that safety has been proven in 6mo to <5yo, and the dose for the 3yo and 4yo is in question (hence testing 3rd dose), I see no reason why doses one and two cannot proceed in these groups. Surely some exposure to the virus is better than none. At least give parents the option. My 3.7yo is the same weight as a median 5yo. My wife and I have had two doses of Pfizer and one Moderna booster. We would get my daughter…

I had a similar thought to this (and my kid is the same age as yours) but apparently immune response isn't based on weight - see e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/26/well/live/child-vaccine-d... . It's not like giving them Tylenol. That being said, after hearing about 10- and 11-year-olds pretending to be 12 so that they could get vaccinated I did have a moment where I wondered if she could pass for 5.

Good point re. immune response not simply being a function of mass. However, the doses in the <5yo trial were lower. So let's roll with them for now and boost later. Sadly @el_benhameen may be correct in the FDA's complacency.

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Post by divbzero »

bequanna wrote: post #279
el_benhameen wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am with you on all of this, with one small, slightly hopeful note. My under-5 is enrolled in the Pfizer study, and they are not starting over from scratch. The existing cohort is going to receive a third dose at >2 months past their last dose (starting at the end of this month, probably), and then immunogenicity will be reassessed. I am incredibly frustrated that pfizer and the fda have been so slow to roll the vac…

Are the children in this trial part of high risk groups? I guess I am quite surprised to hear that there are drug trials for healthy children that young. In this case, the risk/reward seems very imbalanced almost to the point being unethical.

It’s interesting to read your viewpoint because I can see your logic but happen to weigh the risks differently. I am personally more concerned about the long-term risk of disease than the risk of vaccination. As a parent with children I wish could be vaccinated earlier, I have actually wondered if (a) I should have volunteered them for the trials and (b) if as a society we would be willing to start trials for children sooner in the future.

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Post by alpha_squared »

pxue wrote: post #103

Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking po…

> More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters)

It matters enough to write it, and it struck me as weird so I looked it up. Kind of hard to put the numbers together, but it seems we're at 830k[0] deaths now; 350k were in 2020[1] (though most cases started being reported in April) which is indeed less than half of current total. I also looked up Jan. 2021, curious if it changed anything in a meaningful way and there were 77k through Jan. 26[2]; it puts the total deaths at roughly 50/50 between presidents, though one presided over ~9 months of deaths and the other over 12.

I guess that means the rate of deaths is slowing down, but not by much.

[0] https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spr... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/podcasts/2022/20220107/20... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/us-reports-record-number-of-...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

sophacles wrote: post #64
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

So what you're saying is the government should have predicted the future perfectly, and given Post-Omicron guidelines months before it emerged?

Nope. The government knew the vaccines were getting less effective back in september. They knew everyone would eventually need a booster. If they had put in a plan to get that done, I wouldn't have had a problem.

As things stood? The CDC basically said 'you should get a booster only if you're high risk'. They went back and forth over whether to recommend it to the general public for the longest time. This lead to a lot of confusion, and a lot of folks essentially shrugged and went on with their life. If they had been consistent with messaging a much higher percentage of the population would currently be boosted.

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Post by Ekaros »

Melatonic wrote: post #247

I know everyone is tired of this shit but I just want to remind everyone of one thing: This is the FIRST time humanity has come together and actually come up with a way to beat a virus WHILE a global pandemic is still ongoing. At no other time in history have we even had the option of a solid way to protect ourselves like we do now. I think instead of focusing on how awful the past few years have been this is an impo…

What way to beat the virus? Clearly not vaccines as they aren't that great... Clearly not lockdowns as as soon as we give that up the virus hits... We aren't beating it in anyway... Maybe it is time to accept the reality.

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Post by Root_Denied »

jaywalk wrote: post #183
srcreigh wrote: post #139

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The only hard question is hospital triaging. Who gets treatment if there's only room for 50% or 20%? Who can even decide? Does anyone volunteer to be excluded from medical care? This affects more than just covid patients too. Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we can go back to living a normal life. I don't think that's an exchange most people are willing to take. And yes, lockdown measures a…

> As viruses can remain active on surfaces, unless you irradiate the deliveries with a UV lamp (and do it again after unboxing them, since there may be viruses on the actual item) even that would not be enough. Covid does not spread in any meaningful way via surfaces. All of the cleaning and disinfecting nonsense that is still going on is pure theatre. > Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we…

> Covid does not spread in any meaningful way via surfaces. All of the cleaning and disinfecting nonsense that is still going on is pure theatre.

You may be correct about covid, but cleaning surfaces helps to prevent other illnesses from spreading anyway. In a situation where hospitals are impacted there's a strong argument that such behavior and precautions leads to better healthcare outcomes.

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Post by jmull »

khazhoux wrote: post #45
peregren wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vaccine may have kept you out of ICU. It doesn't seem logical to change to a "let the chips fall where they may" based on this experience.

He/she didn't deny that the vaccine kept him out of ICU. But once vaxxed+boosted, what more realistically can we do? I mean sure, let's maybe avoid coughing into each other's open mouths. But apart from that, Omicron seems to be so contagious, we're all bound to get it eventually unless we literally lock ourselves at home for the next 3 years.

> But once vaxxed+boosted, what more realistically can we do?

ffs, wear a mask.

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Post by at_a_remove »

Given that this has an animal reservoir, and has now infected multiple mammals, I think we can put it in the "Never Going Away" category, in that even if we stopped human-to-human transmission entirely, it would still pop up like rabies.

The best case scenario is that it begins to look like the flu, unless someone comes up with a vaccine which makes you immune to all variants forever.

One of the bigger mistakes around this focused on a compliance percentage that was unrealistic. We can't even get people to stop killing one another, the idea that everyone was going to upend their lives in a sudden bout of cooperation was not a reasonable expectation. The resistance we are to expect is beyond the four percent "lizardman constant" and probably closer to twenty or thirty percent. And the moment it became politicized, the compliance percentage would drop even further.

Then you have to ask yourself, how long will people put up with it? How long will people stick to a diet? How long will they keep to their budgets? Generally, long-term discipline does not happen as much as we would like.

Most pandemic responses were formulated with overly optimistic opinions about compliance rates and how long people would do whatever you told them. Meanwhile, various authorities are fumbling around and eroding confidence. At one school in a city where Omicron rates were booming, school administrators made attendance mandatory for some gathering to talk about the hat situation. Apparently, dealing with the hat situation was more important than avoiding creating a possible superspreader event. The more of this senselessness that becomes evident, the less people are apt to do what they are told.

Frankly, we've done about as well as I could have expected.

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Post by twblalock »

snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

"Vaxxed and done" is the marshmallow!

The article's description of the "vaxxed and done" mindset is not very different from what you have described -- we accept that the disease will be endemic, and we treat Covid like we treat the flu, including keeping up with annual shots.

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