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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by meatsauce »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #332
mizzack wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

We all know that most people get COVID and then get over it, but using a few neutral anecdotes to deny the other issues is like trying to invalidate global warming because the weather isn’t hot where you live. It’s not about comparing all of our anecdotes.

I mean 98% recover and many don't even have symptoms. The outliers are the ones getting seriously ill.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by [deleted] »

JSavageOne wrote: post #222
pradn wrote: post #116

I've vaxxed and boosted and will continue to get boosted as often as is recommended. I follow the local regulations, which in NYC mainly involve masking up and showing a vax proof for indoor activities like dining, concerts, and riding the NYC subway. I'm not stopping my life though. I've travelled internationally in the past few months, both to see family and sight-see. Seems like not a bad compromise. The one thing…

COVID doesn't transmit well outside, people who wear masks outside are either paranoid, uneducated, or virtue signaling.

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Post by saynay »

bequanna wrote: post #330
claytongulick wrote: post #215

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It's interesting that you phrase it that way, because I was thinking exactly the same thing, but from the opposite direction. I caught covid early, and while (for me) it was a nasty bug, I recovered with nothing more than a lingering cough for several weeks. Against enormous pressure I decided not to get vaccinated. Everything I read supported that natural immunity is at least as protective as the vaccine, and most s…

> What will the long term effects be? We don't know. Thank you for bringing this up. It isn’t “anti-science” to ask these type of questions and expect answers. Indeed, it has always been the job of the FDA to hold drug companies responsible for proving that their drugs do not harm. Guilty until proven innocent. Given the rushed approval, incredible profit motive, reluctance of the FDA to respond to FOIA requests and…

So far, there hasn't been any evidence (I've heard of) of long-term adverse effects of the vaccination. Vaccines are not exactly new science.

There has, however, been evidence of long-term effects of catching COVID in some cases.

It is pretty obvious which option to take with the currently available evidence.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by benmmurphy »

xkbarkar wrote: post #233
stuckonempty wrote: post #202

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> They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus That is not correct. Vaccination does reduce, but does not eliminate, transmission of the virus “ We found that both the BNT162b2 and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccines were associated with reduced onward transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from index patients who became infected despite vaccination.” https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105…

look at data for iceland, 92% of the adult population and spread is mainly among the double vaccinated. Triple is lower but that is expected to wear off ( if Isreal is to be beleiveied ). https://www.covid.is/data . No, vaccination dos not reduce spread of omicron. Not even a little. It does do a fantastic job of reducing hospitalisations among delta infected.

i've seen some claims that the latest UK data shows negative effectiveness for the vaccine for COVID infection. This is possibly due to Omnicron or due to population differences between the vaccinated/unvaccinated. Also, it is very important to note that even though the data seems to show negative effectiveness for infection the vaccines still show positive effectiveness for hospitalisation and mortality.

I tried to find the original article about negative effectiveness in the UK but all I could find was this:

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/has-covid-vaccine-effica...

This covers Iceland, Denmark and the UK but doesn't really go into much detail about alternative explanations which I remember being covered in the original article I read.

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Post by 8note »

nostrademons wrote: post #248
ya_throw wrote: post #162

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Are you saying that until young kids can get vaccinated, it is not safe enough to remove shutdown protocols for preschools? Parent of 2 very young kids here btw - it's been brutal, I feel your pain. Frankly, our kids get enough other diseases from nursery that a months-long scratchy cough doesn't sound too terrifying.

The challenge is the lack of data on long-term effects of COVID. Preliminary studies have linked it to cognitive declines [1], diabetes [2], and chronic fatigue [3]. And while death from COVID in a preschooler is about a 1-in-100,000 occurrence, long COVID and other chronic outcomes seem to be much more common. I've heard figures of about 5% or 1 in 20. Few parents would willingly sign their preschooler (or themselve…

Ok, but what are the long term effects of every other virus preschoolers could get? I doubt that covid is unique in that respect

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Post by StillBored »

Insanity wrote: post #167
Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Tangentially, I recently moved to Canada and was surprised by the lack of quality healthcare.. Literally could not believe some walk ins have paper files and use fax, plus finding a GP apparently is a months long quest. Visiting a specialist took ages, and I wouldn’t say it was the best / most modern infrastructure there either. (And I went in downtown Toronto, must be so much worse for more remote places I guess). I…

The only reason US doctors all have computers/etc is because of the feds gave health care providers a big tax credit towards electronic record keeping during the Obama years. And then medicare basically made it really hard to continue to get paper reimbursements/etc.

I'm pretty sure the vast number of smaller clinics/etc would all still be on paper if not for those incentives because it was a pretty noticeable change over just a couple years.

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Post by mjevans »

ren_engineer wrote: post #140
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

the bigger problem is that their initial selling point for the vaccine was "get your 2 shots and everything goes back to normal". Many people grudgingly got it despite some hesitancy and now have even less trust of the government now that the goal posts are shifting yet again

With the Alpha variation of the virus that would have been good enough. The study numbers showed someone vaccinated and exposed to Alpha had such a low risk of spread that even while fighting off the virus they were still safe 'enough' to be around.

If we had gotten 80% (some magic number between 70% and 95% I pulled out of nothing) of the US adult population vaccinated, and quarantine locked down the borders we could have snuffed covid out and been in a bubble paradise like New Zealand managed to do with just hard and long enough quarantines.

We didn't get there, and Delta and Omicron did get to us; two variations that are each insanely more viriliant and spread despite the vaccinations which are now only good enough to prevent serious infection and death most of the time.

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Post by theandrewbailey »

cableshaft wrote: post #206
pxue wrote: post #103

Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking po…

> This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) True, but Trump only dealt with Covid for about 9 months at most, and that was starting from 0 cases in February, meanwhile Biden has dealt with it for 13 months at this point, and also took office in the middle of the major winter wave, and then the Delta wave in mid 2021, and now th…

Biden has indirectly blamed all COVID deaths during the Trump administration on Trump, so it's fair to blame Biden for COVID deaths during his administration on him, too. Biden has had office for longer, but the vaccine has also been available for about that long, too.

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Post by celtain »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #224
celtain wrote: post #181

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Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months? Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.

> pandemic-halting benefits Currently we have the highest case numbers ever. How can you type this with a straight face? I'm OK with taking a vaccine for my own benefit, when I want. But don't pretend the vaccines have halted the pandemic.

You just said you're mostly done. If not the vaccine, what (mostly) ended the pandemic for you?
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