I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…
> Instead of just saying that the virus has evolved and is less lethal now they have continued to double down on the vaccine mandate which I don't agree with. What makes you say with any degree of confidence that the virus is less lethal now? The data's not in yet. At this point, it's all magical thinking.
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#312Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking po…
> So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking point for the 2022 elections.
Good luck with that. When the CDC decreased the isolation time to five days, all the talk was about how they were corrupted by capitalism.
As someone who was painted hard with the "science denier / conspiracy theorist" brush for my objections to mandates, it's a very deep level of schadenfreude to see the very same people devolve into conspiracy theories of their own that put them at odds with "the science".
The government has created a dangerous foil for the "anti-vaxxers" -- people who are terrified to leave their bubble of presumed safety. Perhaps we can come up with a pejorative term for them... "Pro-hypochondriacs"?
They will not disappear so easily.
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#313my guess for a while has been that covid is endemic at this point and will be "a thing to live with" like the flu, where it would be in the best interest of everyone if they stayed home, got vaccinated every year (or as necessary), etc. - but is now a "personal responsibility" or however you would like to frame it
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#314I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…
> there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed I very, very much disagree with this. Unvaccinated people have a much higher rate of severe illness that requires hospitalization. Filling up hospitals unnecessarily kills people, and delays preventative care. People who are voluntarily unvaxxed without a medical necessity are, to be clear, 1) categorically stupid 2) responsible for the injury and death of other…
I could use the same rationale to say people who are fat are willingly putting others in danger.
As up to 75% of C19 hospitaltizations are obese persons I could just a s easily hunt down overweights and accuse them of murder as their unhealthy habits are now clogging the medical system forcing us to shut down society to protect them.
I could call them names ,like typhoid Maries. Fat fucks. Ban them from participating in society unless they show a proper BMI index card. Force them into diet camps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BdPKpWbxTg.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6....
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32929833/.
But I would never do that. I happily spend my tax money for peole who smoke, overeat, drink and drive, get bothched breas augmentations, beat the crap of eachother, OD on heroin and all the amazing horrible things that make us humans.
Whatever choice you make in your life, you can NEVER EVER be threatened to have medical care taken away from you.
Unconditinal medical care is one of the corner stones of our society.
Red Cross workers in conflict areas will treat rape victims in one tent, and their rapist in the next.
Fun job, no. But if you cannot handle it than you should not have gone into medicine.
This tendency to normalice demands of who gets medical care and who doesnt stops now. There are not many things I will violently defend, but if society will ever hint that it is going to elect who gets medical support and who doesnt based on their personal life choices I will protest. Violenty if I have to.
This is a basic human right I am willing to die for.
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#315I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…
Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months? Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.
If vaccines actually had pandemic-halting benefits I might agree with you. All numbers currently point to otherwise.
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#316I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…
> Couple that to daycare/preschool shutdowns: if there's a case in the class we've got to keep our kids at home for a week. We both work. We can deal with it, lord knows we've had to do it enough times already, but it's absolutely draining.
At least now people start to realize that they work too much and that schools are not institutions of education any more but rather prisons for children so that their parents can be exploited by the capitalist elite class, having to work only to barely make rent.
Parents should be able to parent their children and the time effort required for that doesn't fly with both parents having to work 40 hours a week. When you have to get up at 0600 to get ready for the day, leave at 0800 for the job, come home at 1800, spend an hour making and eating dinner, you only have four to five hours with your children - and stuff like hobbies (both for parents and children), sex, dealing with adult stuff (insurances, paperwork) hasn't even been included yet.
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of your points have validity, but three are borderline dangerous misinformation: - The majority of those who died WITH THE VACCINE had 4+ co-morbidities. The virus is still very dangerous to the unvaccinated - The vaccine does indeed reduce your propensity to spread the virus, although it doesn't eliminate the risk. - The reason for lockdowns is not to make the virus "go away". It is to control the impact on the…
The only miss information here is your comment. >the virus is still very dangerous to the unvaccinated According to gallup (which I hope we can agree is not some sort of alt-right outlet) the risk of an unvaccinated person needing to be hospitalized if they get covid is 0.89%. https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimat... That is insanely low. That is just the risk of hospitalization, the % of those…
All I can say is that Omicron is not significantly less dangerous. This is actually shaping up to be worse than the Delta surge. If you believe Delta was serious, then this is too.
Take a look.
https://i.imgur.com/o3DJfN2.png
https://i.imgur.com/g8tyRdQ.png
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/01/09/us/omicron-ci...
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#318I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…
> It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away... That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a foreseeable future. Well, one can cry for the world that was, or one can get up and live in the world that is.
Whats the magic number? There are places like New York that have 95% over 18 with at least 1 vaccine and 83.3% with completed vaccination status. But the problems still persist and the entire focus is on those last few percent of people moving the needle, when in the past we've been told "herd immunity" would be conservatively reached at ~70%.
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#319I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…
The only hard question is hospital triaging. Who gets treatment if there's only room for 50% or 20%? Who can even decide? Does anyone volunteer to be excluded from medical care? This affects more than just covid patients too. Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we can go back to living a normal life. I don't think that's an exchange most people are willing to take. And yes, lockdown measures a…
Hospitals have always been overwhelmed. Check out this 2018 article about the flu: https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/01/08/hospital-overrun-by-flu-...
Empty beds aren’t making money for hospitals so they often run close to capacity.
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#320I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…
"a months-long scratchy cough"
But isn't that normal at times for a cold season with kids?
There are lots of really nasty diseases children can get, where safe vaccinations exist. But most data so far told me with covid I have to worry much more about the social developement of my kids. That was really restricted and that is not good.