More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ • Hacker News Board

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by stavros » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

xkbarkar wrote: post #233

stuckonempty wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus That is not correct. Vaccination does reduce, but does not eliminate, transmission of the virus “ We found that both the BNT162b2 and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccines were associated with reduced onward transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from index patients who became infected despite vaccination.” https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105…

look at data for iceland, 92% of the adult population and spread is mainly among the double vaccinated. Triple is lower but that is expected to wear off ( if Isreal is to be beleiveied ). https://www.covid.is/data . No, vaccination dos not reduce spread of omicron. Not even a little. It does do a fantastic job of reducing hospitalisations among delta infected.

90% of the eligible population there is vaccinated. If there are no unvaccinated people left, the spread would be 100% from vaccinated people. Lies, damn lies, statistics.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by nradov » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

celtain wrote: post #181

Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months? Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.

Boosters should be available to those who want them, but we can't boost our way out of the pandemic.

https://youtu.be/GklHGYY8vN8

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by barbazoo » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

majormajor wrote: post #178

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

If we want to get rid of vaccine mandates I think the give and take has to go both ways. For instance: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/sta... : "Unvaccinated individuals at the highest risk of severe disease (anyone aged ≥75 years or anyone aged ≥65 years with additional risk factors)." in Tier 1 for priority usage of new, hard-to-get treatment. Those who don't want to get vaccinated should t…

> Those who don't want to get vaccinated should take personal responsibility for that, not expect society to take as much care of them

How would that work practically though? They still end up in the hospital, they're not going to test if they're vaxxed and put them at the end of the line if not.

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Post by el_benhameen » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #216

el_benhameen wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am with you on all of this, with one small, slightly hopeful note. My under-5 is enrolled in the Pfizer study, and they are not starting over from scratch. The existing cohort is going to receive a third dose at >2 months past their last dose (starting at the end of this month, probably), and then immunogenicity will be reassessed. I am incredibly frustrated that pfizer and the fda have been so slow to roll the vac…

That’s amazing news, thank you for letting folks know! Also thanks for participating in the trial, you’re doing a good deed for us all.

All thanks are due to the kid :). All I have to do is drive the kidmobile and enjoy my share of the ice cream bribe.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by JSavageOne » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

Spartan-S63 wrote: post #29

I think the message of "vaxxed and done" is the right way for us to be moving, but I think it's incomplete. To get vaxxed insulates you from the risk of severe disease. It reduces the risk to the point that going out and living life is an acceptable risk, just like any other. However, it doesn't protect you from infecting others. To that end, I think that indoor mask mandates continue to be justifiable and should con…

Personally I'm completely sick of mask mandates. First off the effectiveness of masks is even questionable except for k95 masks, which are hideously uncomfortable and look ridiculous.

In any case, I firmly believe that people should have the freedom to decide for themselves whether they want to wear them. I was in Copenhagen a few months ago where no one was wearing masks anywhere including indoors, and it was so refreshing seeing life as usual again, smiles on peoples' faces, etc.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by disambiguation » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

This pandemic has more in common is the Milgram and Asch experiment than the Marshmallow Test.

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

pxue wrote: post #103

Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking po…

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Post by munificent » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:37 PM UTC

csdvrx wrote: post #160

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

> Omicron is essentially impossible to avoid at this point short of locking yourself in a room and having everything delivered to your front door. The risks are known and its time to trust people to weigh those risks and make their own decisions. As viruses can remain active on surfaces, unless you irradiate the deliveries with a UV lamp (and do it again after unboxing them, since there may be viruses on the actual i…

> As viruses can remain active on surfaces

We've long known that transmission of COVID through fomites (surfaces) is very low: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-r...

If this wasn't the case, grocery store protocol would have been very different during the early days of the pandemic.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by peterangular » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:37 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #250

majormajor wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we want to get rid of vaccine mandates I think the give and take has to go both ways. For instance: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/sta... : "Unvaccinated individuals at the highest risk of severe disease (anyone aged ≥75 years or anyone aged ≥65 years with additional risk factors)." in Tier 1 for priority usage of new, hard-to-get treatment. Those who don't want to get vaccinated should t…

This sounds like a wonderful idea. Drop the vaccine mandates, and drop the mandates to treat the unvaccinated. If people don't want treatments that work, they should be free to explore the full space of treatments that don't. If you have ethical qualms about this, I'd like to point out that ethics go both ways. It's unconscionable to take a hospital bed away from someone who needs it, because you refuse to take your…

You can't expect those who are unvaccinated taking up beds (potentially or not) to think about ethics. For a good part of our country it's a race to the bottom of "I got mine, f u" and those folks seem largely represented in the group that's currently stressing our hospitals.

I do agree however. And, I think it's an ethically defensible position to not treat people who refuse to get vaccinated... even though it will never happen.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by spenczar5 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:37 PM UTC

claytongulick wrote: post #215

snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

It's interesting that you phrase it that way, because I was thinking exactly the same thing, but from the opposite direction. I caught covid early, and while (for me) it was a nasty bug, I recovered with nothing more than a lingering cough for several weeks. Against enormous pressure I decided not to get vaccinated. Everything I read supported that natural immunity is at least as protective as the vaccine, and most s…

If you don’t mind, why not get vaccinated? Like, what is the downside?

I know this is a dangerous topic, especially on the internet with strangers, so feel free to just not respond - that would be understandable. But I am curious to hear your thought process.