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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by mschuster91 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

> The democratic party has hung their hat on how bad covid is and how important it is to get vaccinated and to state at this point, NVM lets just get back to normal would be a loss of face.

It actually still is important and advisable to keep your coronavirus vaccinations up to date. There's a reason why Israel marches ahead and begins to distribute the fourth shot in a year to the most vulnerable groups, and likely access will be expanded similarly like it was for the first three shots.

FWIW, it should become a normality that people visit their general practitioner once a year, get their general fitness and blood checkup done and their missing/expired vaccinations refreshed. Our societies may very well benefit from eliminating millions of workdays lost every year to the ordinary flu [1].

[1]: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1225629/umfra...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by bserge »

EMM_386 wrote: post #14

I'm double vaxxed and boosted and just spent 4 days in the hospital with Covid. I actually entered the hospital without Covid and got it while I was in there. They had the entire place divided into separate wings and I had to be transferred between them. 103 degree fever, pulse 130, was pretty awful but came out of it fine. I, too, am done with all of it. Let the chips fall where they may now.

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by dnautics »

nwiswell wrote: post #207
wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

Some of your points have validity, but three are borderline dangerous misinformation: - The majority of those who died WITH THE VACCINE had 4+ co-morbidities. The virus is still very dangerous to the unvaccinated - The vaccine does indeed reduce your propensity to spread the virus, although it doesn't eliminate the risk. - The reason for lockdowns is not to make the virus "go away". It is to control the impact on the…

> The virus is still very dangerous to the unvaccinated

Do we know this about omicron? How dangerous is "very dangerous"? As it is with pre-omicron, CFR for COVID-19 was, pessimistically, 0.5-1%, less if you're not in an at-risk group. AFAICT we have no reliable numbers on "long covid".

For the record, I am not anti-vaxx, I am vaccinated, I'm just anti-using-science-as-an-ideology.

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Post by nsxwolf »

redisman wrote: post #145
Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

At some point we should (not) start charting and obsessively reporting all the other endemic viruses. I’m curious how anxiety inducing they are compared to Covid

I'm also curious. For the last several years some kind of enterovirus has been paralyzing hundreds of children in the US. Articles get written once in awhile, but no one ever talks about it. Yet COVID shuts down schools.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by throwaway894345 »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #85
_xnmw wrote: post #7

The risk is now "priced in" to our consciousness. Back when it first started, covid was a big scary unknown risk to take for simply going outside and interacting with people. Now, it's a well-known risk, and people are willing to take that risk, along with other well-known risks for going outside, like the risk of getting into a car accident or slipping and falling.

I think there are a number of factors at play. One, we've greatly reduced the risk of COVID through vaccines. This is the primary thrust of the article; if you've vaccinated, you're very unlikely to have serious consequences. Two, we're fatigued. You just can't be constantly vigilant for two or three years without something breaking. This compounds point one. We don't, as the article mentions, know what kind of relat…

> Third, a large portion of the population is in denial about their own levels of risk. If there was a 1% chance of dying every time you drove a car, or even a 1% chance of dying every time you got into a car accident, there would be panic in the streets, no pun intended. But a lot of people round a 1% chance of dying from COVID down to zero.

I don't think you and I differ much in our broad conclusions on covid, but I don't think it makes sense to compare "chance of dying every time you drove a car" with "chance of dying if you catch covid"--basically this is a type error, you're comparing apples and oranges. The proper comparison operand for "every time you drove a car" would be "every time you interact with one or more people in person". Of course, you don't have a 1% chance of dying by covid every time you interact with one or more people in person because each interaction has a relatively low chance of contagion. Moreover, if there's a 1% chance that the average person would die from covid, that doesn't imply that a healthy person (i.e., no co-morbidities) has a 1% chance of dying from covid, so it's perfectly possible that the cohort who are risking covid exposure also have a lower risk of dying from covid than the average person (of course, I'm just responding to your framing of self-preservation--there's a good moral argument that healthy people should also be concerned about their contribution to spreading the virus irrespective of their own risk).

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Post by cm2187 »

ketzo wrote: post #220
wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

> there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed I very, very much disagree with this. Unvaccinated people have a much higher rate of severe illness that requires hospitalization. Filling up hospitals unnecessarily kills people, and delays preventative care. People who are voluntarily unvaxxed without a medical necessity are, to be clear, 1) categorically stupid 2) responsible for the injury and death of other…

> Unvaccinated people have a much higher rate of severe illness that requires hospitalization. Filling up hospitals unnecessarily kills people, and delays preventative care.

Not if they already had covid or are young and healthly. I would agree with your statement with the qualifier "unvaccinated people that are over 60 or have comorbidity".

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Post by majormajor »

cm2187 wrote: post #221
maxerickson wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccination makes you much less likely to get sick in the first place and probably reduces how long you are infectious if you do get sick. Neither of those things fit with 'does not reduce'.

The problem is that it doesn't show in the stats in practice. In the UK, the % of positive covid tests that are vaxed pretty much follows the % of people vaxed in the population (by age). If vaxed people were less infectious, you would expect the virus to circulate much more in the unvaccinated population. Particularly given that vaccine hesitancy isn't homogenously distributed in the population.

What exactly do you mean by "% of positive covid tests that are vaxed"?

In the US, with the delta wave, case-rate-per-100k-people very much showed that the vaccinated were less likely to catch Covid. For instance: "From December 20, 2021 to December 26, 2021, unvaccinated people were 3.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people." (with a chart showing the trend similarly for months). https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/#postvax-status

I expect the omicron wave to be less dramatically tilted, but that there will still be some difference.

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Post by flavius29663 »

cableshaft wrote: post #206
pxue wrote: post #103

Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking po…

> This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) True, but Trump only dealt with Covid for about 9 months at most, and that was starting from 0 cases in February, meanwhile Biden has dealt with it for 13 months at this point, and also took office in the middle of the major winter wave, and then the Delta wave in mid 2021, and now th…

Well, the vaccine rollout was planned under Trump and execution was in full force when Biden took office (1 million jabs a day).

Biden didn't really do much after he took office, other than annoy people with inconsistent communication, federal over-reach and always singling "the others" as the root of all evil - which made them more reluctant to anything he proposed.

Trump had to scale out testing, respirators, PPE, the vaccines etc. 2020 looked much more busy than 2021, and then we got Omicron and we're completely unprepared.

I am vaxxed and boosted, but I don't want to be forced to get a shot every 6 months.

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Post by steelstraw »

pxue wrote: post #103

Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking po…

"220,000 deaths.

If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this: Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain President of the United States." Joe Biden

https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1319446692236791814

And his predecessor did not have the vaccines available to combat deaths. So they are in a tough spot to be sure. The only thing they can do now is to downplay and reframe:

"The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75% percent, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities, so really these are people who were unwell to begin with." CDC Director Rochelle Walensky

https://youtu.be/BhOoWGXRGb0?t=165

They are also finally trying untangle deaths "with Covid" and "from Covid": https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1480207649807507458

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Post by maxerickson »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #204

It's interesting that COVID and vaccines for it are treated so much differently than others. Does the average person on the street know which variants of influenza are currently circulating? Do they have a preference for manufacturer of their influenza vaccine? Do they know what type their influenza vaccine is? Probably not. But suddenly everyone cares deeply about all of these things for COVID. To me it's simple: I…

US recommends everyone get a flu vaccine and we usually only hit about 50%.
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