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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by csdvrx » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

jaywalk wrote: post #183

srcreigh wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only hard question is hospital triaging. Who gets treatment if there's only room for 50% or 20%? Who can even decide? Does anyone volunteer to be excluded from medical care? This affects more than just covid patients too. Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we can go back to living a normal life. I don't think that's an exchange most people are willing to take. And yes, lockdown measures a…

> As viruses can remain active on surfaces, unless you irradiate the deliveries with a UV lamp (and do it again after unboxing them, since there may be viruses on the actual item) even that would not be enough. Covid does not spread in any meaningful way via surfaces. All of the cleaning and disinfecting nonsense that is still going on is pure theatre. > Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we…

> Covid does not spread in any meaningful way via surfaces. All of the cleaning and disinfecting nonsense that is still going on is pure theatre.

It's a reasonable precaution take, at least until we know precisely how the virus could get to the isolated Belgian Antarctic base, where everyone was isolated for weeks and tested and retested prior to being sent there.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by apex3stoker » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

collias wrote: post #37

denimnerd42 wrote: post #12

i think i'm done with current level vaccines. I've had 3 mrna. The second and third each took me out for 2 days. I don't see any reason for more unless a better one comes out. I do think 3 are important though.

Apparently, booster efficacy wanes after about 10 weeks[1]. If you think the 3rd shot is important, why not the 4th, 5th, ad infinitum? Genuinely curious, not trying to be difficult. [1]: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

From the linked article, the vaccine effectiveness of 10 weeks factoid you mentioned is a bit incomplete. It only talks about effectiveness against symptomatic infections. The effectiveness is dropped to about 40% around 10 weeks for people with AstraZeneca and then Pfizer or Moderna booster, or Pfizer and then Pfizer booster, and to about 70% around 9 weeks for people with Pfizer and then Moderna booster.

There was insufficient data to estimate the effectiveness against severe disease.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by xkbarkar » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

stuckonempty wrote: post #202

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

> They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus That is not correct. Vaccination does reduce, but does not eliminate, transmission of the virus “ We found that both the BNT162b2 and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccines were associated with reduced onward transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from index patients who became infected despite vaccination.” https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105…

look at data for iceland, 92% of the adult population and spread is mainly among the double vaccinated. Triple is lower but that is expected to wear off ( if Isreal is to be beleiveied ). https://www.covid.is/data. No, vaccination dos not reduce spread of omicron. Not even a little. It does do a fantastic job of reducing hospitalisations among delta infected.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by dham » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

srcreigh wrote: post #139

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

The only hard question is hospital triaging. Who gets treatment if there's only room for 50% or 20%? Who can even decide? Does anyone volunteer to be excluded from medical care? This affects more than just covid patients too. Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we can go back to living a normal life. I don't think that's an exchange most people are willing to take. And yes, lockdown measures a…

Unfortunately we could have made this exchange in March 2020. Mostly older people in exchange for younger people. It would have been over in a few months. June/July of 2020. Now we make the exchange but this time it's everyone. Someone younger having heart attack, cancer etc. So we're mostly worst off had we just let it rip through society back then.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by srcreigh » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

cascom wrote: post #201

srcreigh wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only hard question is hospital triaging. Who gets treatment if there's only room for 50% or 20%? Who can even decide? Does anyone volunteer to be excluded from medical care? This affects more than just covid patients too. Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we can go back to living a normal life. I don't think that's an exchange most people are willing to take. And yes, lockdown measures a…

I was under the impression that this was already a solved question in the medical community (essentially boiled down to: who will benefit the most from treatment) Or are you talking about other considerations like vaxxed/in-vaxxed?

You may be right. I guess there is a risk that even the number of people dying from treatable conditions exceeds capacity. The spectrum you mention seems more geared to handle broken arm vs heart attack situation, not "We have 100 people dying and 20 beds".

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by vkou » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

> Instead of just saying that the virus has evolved and is less lethal now they have continued to double down on the vaccine mandate which I don't agree with.

What makes you say with any degree of confidence that the virus is less lethal now?

The data's not in yet. At this point, it's all magical thinking.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by eric_b » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

Yep, this hits the nail on the head. I've got my shots, and now I'm firmly in the "let it rip" camp. Omicron is the endgame as far as I'm concerned.

The point of all the onerous COVID rules and vaccine mandates was to prevent the spread, right? Keep pressure on the hospitals down? It didn't work. In the US anyways, COVID is, and has been, everywhere. Masks? Useless. Student/teacher/daycare exclusions for exposure? Useless. Vaccines? I think worthwhile, but in the face of Omicron, also basically useless.

More and more people are realizing they will be exposed to COVID during their life. It's not an if, but a when. I knew this the minute it became a pandemic, but others had some idiotic "we can beat this virus" mentality, promulgated mainly by the (left-leaning) media.

Well guess what? The only thing that would have made one bit of a difference (besides the vaccines) was bolstering the healthcare system. But the current administration in the US has done nothing of the sort. Time to let it buck, let the cards fall where they may.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by csdvrx » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

celtain wrote: post #181

Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months? Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.

I'd be glad to take boosters on any schedule, if only for said boosters we were using the mRNA advantage of short lead time and quick iteration to target the ACTUAL strain, not the one from 2 years ago...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by el_benhameen » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #204

It's interesting that COVID and vaccines for it are treated so much differently than others. Does the average person on the street know which variants of influenza are currently circulating? Do they have a preference for manufacturer of their influenza vaccine? Do they know what type their influenza vaccine is? Probably not. But suddenly everyone cares deeply about all of these things for COVID. To me it's simple: I…

I get where you’re coming from, but I think that the obvious difference is that regardless of the severity of the current covid variant in vaccinated people, the flu hasn’t upended every bit of life as we know it for a 2+ year period any time in recent memory.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by 908B64B197 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

srcreigh wrote: post #139

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

The only hard question is hospital triaging. Who gets treatment if there's only room for 50% or 20%? Who can even decide? Does anyone volunteer to be excluded from medical care? This affects more than just covid patients too. Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we can go back to living a normal life. I don't think that's an exchange most people are willing to take. And yes, lockdown measures a…

> The only hard question is hospital triaging. Who gets treatment if there's only room for 50% or 20%? Who can even decide?

The voters should decide. A jurisdiction could simply decide to allocate capacity based on vaccination status (ie, if 20% of the population is unvaccinated, they get 20% of available beds for COVID). Completely fair.