More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ • Hacker News Board

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by cascom » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:19 PM UTC

srcreigh wrote: post #139

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

The only hard question is hospital triaging. Who gets treatment if there's only room for 50% or 20%? Who can even decide? Does anyone volunteer to be excluded from medical care? This affects more than just covid patients too. Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we can go back to living a normal life. I don't think that's an exchange most people are willing to take. And yes, lockdown measures a…

I was under the impression that this was already a solved question in the medical community (essentially boiled down to: who will benefit the most from treatment)

Or are you talking about other considerations like vaxxed/in-vaxxed?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by stuckonempty » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:19 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

> They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus

That is not correct. Vaccination does reduce, but does not eliminate, transmission of the virus

“ We found that both the BNT162b2 and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccines were associated with reduced onward transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from index patients who became infected despite vaccination.”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by hodgesrm » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:20 PM UTC

haswell wrote: post #40

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

> There would have been so much less confusion if they were consistent with their communication from the start I think it's worth considering a different framing: > "There would have been so much less confusion if COVID variants and transmission/hospitalization/death rates remained consistent from the start" It's easy to call out the communication, and don't get me wrong, it surely could have been better. But I often…

It's also true that most governments have not been very clear about what they actually wanted to achieve or perhaps more accurately have changed the goals over time. There's a big difference between eliminating COVID vs coping, for example.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:20 PM UTC

It's interesting that COVID and vaccines for it are treated so much differently than others. Does the average person on the street know which variants of influenza are currently circulating? Do they have a preference for manufacturer of their influenza vaccine? Do they know what type their influenza vaccine is? Probably not. But suddenly everyone cares deeply about all of these things for COVID.

To me it's simple: I ask my doctor what I should do and then I do it.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by AniseAbyss » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:20 PM UTC

I'm not an angry conspiracy theory guy but the government gave me the idea that we could beat corona if we just got everyone vaxxed and follow guidelines. Two years and 3 jabs later it's still SNAFU.

At some point you get demoralised. And I know it isn't anyone's fault which somehow makes it worse. The Alex Jones supporters at least have someone to hate.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by cableshaft » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:21 PM UTC

pxue wrote: post #103

Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking po…

> This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters)

True, but Trump only dealt with Covid for about 9 months at most, and that was starting from 0 cases in February, meanwhile Biden has dealt with it for 13 months at this point, and also took office in the middle of the major winter wave, and then the Delta wave in mid 2021, and now the Omicron wave at the end of 2021, which were much more infectious and mostly affected those that could not or refused to be vaccinated (once vaccines were widely available in April at least).

Biden didn't create those waves, by the way. This is a global problem, and judging by how the US got the variant spikes after most of the rest of the world did, likely didn't originate here. He could have been like China or Australia and enforced hard indefinite lockdowns, but it was clear after the one Trump agreed to a partial two-week lockdown that the US public wouldn't even comply to that, so good luck Biden imposing any future lockdowns.

Yes, the majority of people were vaccinated in 2021, but I'd argue a good chunk of those same people (waves hi) were self-isolating as much as possible until they got vaccinated anyway and were much less likely to be included in the deaths of 2020 anyway.

Biden definitely could have done a better job managing Covid (ordered increased home tests made and ship them to citizens before Omicron became a thing, for one idea), but there's a good amount of the population that wouldn't have listened to him no matter what measures he tried to push.

I also disagree with you that Democrats are going to downplay covid (the media might, but it sounds like it's just to force people to go back to work and kids to stay in school because they're too afraid of the economy getting worse).

About the only thing Biden can point to as something good he's done, is the vaccine rollout, so if they downplay it they don't have much to go on.

But I agree it won't matter in the long run because the Democrats are going to lose the midterms, big time, and probably the presidency in 2024.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by nwiswell » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:21 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

Some of your points have validity, but three are borderline dangerous misinformation:

- The majority of those who died WITH THE VACCINE had 4+ co-morbidities. The virus is still very dangerous to the unvaccinated

- The vaccine does indeed reduce your propensity to spread the virus, although it doesn't eliminate the risk.

- The reason for lockdowns is not to make the virus "go away". It is to control the impact on the healthcare system. We have now surpassed the previous hospitalization record and this thing is still going exponential. You may be fully vaccinated and at low risk for a COVID related death, but if you'd like to be able to get acute treatment for appendicitis or a heart attack, we need to take steps toward a lockdown immediately.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-breaks-covid-19-hospital...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by el_benhameen » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:21 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

I am with you on all of this, with one small, slightly hopeful note. My under-5 is enrolled in the Pfizer study, and they are not starting over from scratch. The existing cohort is going to receive a third dose at >2 months past their last dose (starting at the end of this month, probably), and then immunogenicity will be reassessed. I am incredibly frustrated that pfizer and the fda have been so slow to roll the vaccine out to under-5s, but at least they don’t need to re-do recruitment and phase 1, etc.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by gbjw » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:21 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

Furthermore, a lesser-talked about side-effect of extended (semi-)lockdowns and associated measures is a general reduction in the physical health of the populace. How many of us have put on a few extra pounds? This survey [1] (which, admittedly, seems to be probably skewed by sampling bias), shows that millennials put on 40+ (!?) pounds over the pandemic.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1257041/average-weight-g...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by starik36 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:21 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #161

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

Vaccination makes you much less likely to get sick in the first place and probably reduces how long you are infectious if you do get sick. Neither of those things fit with 'does not reduce'.

> Vaccination makes you much less likely to get sick in the first place

Do you have a reference for this claim? Nearly everyone I know that has caught it and has gotten sick in the past 2 weeks has been vaccinated, sometimes boostered as well. I don't think this claim is true with Omicron.

Vaccination makes you less likely to end up on a ventilator.