More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ • Hacker News Board

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by maxerickson » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

Vaccination makes you much less likely to get sick in the first place and probably reduces how long you are infectious if you do get sick. Neither of those things fit with 'does not reduce'.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by ya_throw » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

Are you saying that until young kids can get vaccinated, it is not safe enough to remove shutdown protocols for preschools?

Parent of 2 very young kids here btw - it's been brutal, I feel your pain. Frankly, our kids get enough other diseases from nursery that a months-long scratchy cough doesn't sound too terrifying.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by mattnewton » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

fallingknife wrote: post #95

Spartan-S63 wrote: post #29

I think the message of "vaxxed and done" is the right way for us to be moving, but I think it's incomplete. To get vaxxed insulates you from the risk of severe disease. It reduces the risk to the point that going out and living life is an acceptable risk, just like any other. However, it doesn't protect you from infecting others. To that end, I think that indoor mask mandates continue to be justifiable and should con…

But anybody who I spread it to and is vaxxed also has minimal, acceptable risk. If they aren't vaxed, that's on them.

That's not true of the immunocompromised, the rare few who actually couldn't get the fully vaccine because of a reaction to the first dose, the elderly and others with co-morbidities they might not even know about. Those people, along with the unvaccinated, are still going to overwhelm the hospitals if everyone doesn't attempt to limit the spread with measures like masking and testing.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by absnetneg » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

The only thing keeping me from being done is the fear/suspicion that the healthcare system is on the verge of collapse.

Front line workers are not being compensated well enough. This means less people taking the career path and increased burn out.

We are in for a world of hurt and the only thing I can do is try to not be sick when the hammer falls.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by turrican » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

smachiz wrote: post #98

I don't get it. It takes 10 minutes to get a booster. It's such a non-event.

If you are one of the lucky few that doesn’t get unpleasant side effects for 24-48 hours afterwords, this may be true.

I am not, and anecdotally nobody close to me is either. It’s not a pleasant experience that I want to repeat ad infinitum. Particularly if it’s not even going to stop the current C19 variation.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by xboxnolifes » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #142

Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Early on in the pandemic, I used to be in the camp that wanted mask mandates and vaccination passports. I see how dangerous and ineffective this is now. Governments are not good stewards. The virus will keep evolving to evade our vaccines. This is never going to end. We will never eradicate Covid, and we'll never reach vaccine-mediated herd immunity. The administration forcing a purge of unvaccinated US soldiers, gov…

> The administration forcing a purge of unvaccinated US soldiers, government workers, and employees of companies that do business with the government is obscene.

The one that seems odd in this list is soldiers. It's my understanding that soldiers already were mandated vaccines when put into areas where the particular diseases were common. I'm not sure why mandating covid vaccines for them during a global pandemic is different.

Maybe there's context I'm missing, but when I first read about the backlash I was confused.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by Insanity » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Tangentially, I recently moved to Canada and was surprised by the lack of quality healthcare..

Literally could not believe some walk ins have paper files and use fax, plus finding a GP apparently is a months long quest.

Visiting a specialist took ages, and I wouldn’t say it was the best / most modern infrastructure there either.

(And I went in downtown Toronto, must be so much worse for more remote places I guess).

In the end we kind of shunned the public system and decided to go private healthcare instead. But (luckily) have not really had to take advantage of it)

/rant

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by syshum » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:14 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #142

Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Early on in the pandemic, I used to be in the camp that wanted mask mandates and vaccination passports. I see how dangerous and ineffective this is now. Governments are not good stewards. The virus will keep evolving to evade our vaccines. This is never going to end. We will never eradicate Covid, and we'll never reach vaccine-mediated herd immunity. The administration forcing a purge of unvaccinated US soldiers, gov…

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by lovecg » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:14 PM UTC

smachiz wrote: post #98

I don't get it. It takes 10 minutes to get a booster. It's such a non-event.

10 minutes to get it, anywhere from 0 days to a week to get over the side effects. Source: personal experience. If the calculation changes from “one and done” to “do this every few months on a schedule”, I’m leaning towards taking my chances with the virus. I’ll reconsider if there’s a newer, broad spectrum vaccine available though.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by drewg123 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:14 PM UTC

ashtonkem wrote: post #41

drewg123 wrote: post #26

I think a lot of this depends on the typical severity of Omicron (and future variants). I'm vaccinated and boosted. I wear a mask in public. I don't go out much. I do travel fairly regularly (fly maybe 1-2x per month). I finally got Covid last week, likely on a flight. I had ~3 days of mild cold-like symptoms (sore throat, runny nose, congestion, very low grade fever that approached 101F). It was far less severe than…

I personally worry about the availability of medical services due to attrition among medical staff and ICU load due to the unvaccinated. I also have taken precautions, but I can’t guarantee that I won’t get into a car crash or suffer a random medical incident requiring urgent care.

Yes, attrition of hospital staff is terrible. I was hospitalized last fall for a non-covid issue, and a volunteer came into the room who was a retired nurse. She told me that the current patient loads for nurses are about 2x what they were pre-covid. I checked on the nurses salaries (via job ads), and they honestly did not seem terrible competitive.