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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by btheshoe » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:49 PM UTC

tombert wrote: post #32

smm11 wrote: post #16

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Does a comment like this actually contribute to anything? I don't want to be mean, but this is a comment that would probably be more appropriate on Reddit or 4chan. That said, a fatalistic viewpoint is valid enough philosophy, but I am still in the camp of "even if I don't like them very much, the unvaccinated are still humans and we should still try and minimize how many of them get sick." NOTE: I'm vaccinated and b…

It's short and curt, but it seems to present some good ideas that can be discussed. If COVID is endemic, then it seems mostly pointless to continue COVID restrictions indefinitely. I've never bought the "we need COVID restrictions to protect unvaccinated people" argument - being vaccinated should protect them enough, and unvaccinated people (who won't be following restrictions) present a much greater threat to each other.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by fallingknife » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #3

torstenvl wrote: post #2

I think it boils down to two questions: - What is the average level of risk to someone taking reasonable personal precautions? - What level of state-sponsored violence is justifiable to further reduce that risk? Governments and societies have been acting out-of-control and it needs to stop. If people don't want to take personal precautions, they should be at liberty to assume the additional risk.

> - What is the average level of risk to someone taking reasonable personal precautions? Depends on how full hospitals get. We all get into accidents. We fall and hit our heads, we might get a heart attack, a pregnancy might suddenly go bad and a C-section (or worse surgery) is needed. As COVID19 fills up hospitals around the country, the risk isn't from Omicron itself anymore, as much as it is from an overburdened h…

> Forced vaccinations are far more effective than national guard in this situation

And Chinese style hard lockdowns of whole cities are even more effective than that. Doesn't mean I want the government to have that power.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by honkdaddy » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

throwawayboise wrote: post #23

_xnmw wrote: post #7

The risk is now "priced in" to our consciousness. Back when it first started, covid was a big scary unknown risk to take for simply going outside and interacting with people. Now, it's a well-known risk, and people are willing to take that risk, along with other well-known risks for going outside, like the risk of getting into a car accident or slipping and falling.

Some people were in the "willing to take that risk" from the beginning, and were relentlessly demonized. Now it's OK though if everyone feels that way.

I can't help but feel that the state of US politics from 2016 onwards plays a role in this. Many early COVID skeptics who pushed for a more laissez faire style of government intervention were also Trump supporters. After the events on 1/6/2020, Trump supporters were even further entrenched as the nation's new bogeyman, and any views they hold as a collective have been systematically cut down the last several years.

This is further evidenced in the article, in which literally the _very first line_ is a mild dunk on the GOP. Why do Americans do this? Why must literally any policy decision be chiefly looked at through the lens of Red vs. Blue?

This is coming from a Canadian whose frequently frustrated that one can't voice any concerns about COVID policy without being lumped in with a crowd which I otherwise share almost nothing in common with.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by sophacles » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

So what you're saying is the government should have predicted the future perfectly, and given Post-Omicron guidelines months before it emerged?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by cblconfederate » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

denimnerd42 wrote: post #12

i think i'm done with current level vaccines. I've had 3 mrna. The second and third each took me out for 2 days. I don't see any reason for more unless a better one comes out. I do think 3 are important though.

Why do you think 3 is enough but not 4. That's not rational, its just psychologically comforting

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by Mikeb85 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada).

There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments are trying to convince people the risk should be zero so they can be the heroes while at the same time expanding their powers...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #42

peregren wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vaccine may have kept you out of ICU. It doesn't seem logical to change to a "let the chips fall where they may" based on this experience.

at this point I want better public health evidence from CDC etc that "the vaccine may have kept you out of the ICU". I need better quantification of the various risks before continuing to live an extremely inconvenient lifestyle to ostensibly save other's lives.

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by dragontamer » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

fallingknife wrote: post #62

dragontamer wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - What is the average level of risk to someone taking reasonable personal precautions? Depends on how full hospitals get. We all get into accidents. We fall and hit our heads, we might get a heart attack, a pregnancy might suddenly go bad and a C-section (or worse surgery) is needed. As COVID19 fills up hospitals around the country, the risk isn't from Omicron itself anymore, as much as it is from an overburdened h…

> Forced vaccinations are far more effective than national guard in this situation And Chinese style hard lockdowns of whole cities are even more effective than that. Doesn't mean I want the government to have that power.

Jacobson v. Massachusetts 1905.

The state has a right, (7-2 decision, hardly controversial) to forcibly vaccinate its citizens against Smallpox.

It doesn't matter what you "want". There's well over 100 years of precedent on this particular issue. Go fight with history if you're really pissed.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by toast0 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

> There would have been so much less confusion if they were consistent with their communication from the start.

While that's true, I don't think it's reasonable unless, like a sibling suggested, the disease would be consistent from the start.

What would be nice is if they contemplated and acknowledged that the recommendations would be changing. Rather than saying 'others don't need a booster', they should be saying 'at this time, based on current understanding, etc, others don't need a booster'. In some situations, they can probably suggest what conditions might cause a change in recommendations.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by tombert » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #46

tombert wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does a comment like this actually contribute to anything? I don't want to be mean, but this is a comment that would probably be more appropriate on Reddit or 4chan. That said, a fatalistic viewpoint is valid enough philosophy, but I am still in the camp of "even if I don't like them very much, the unvaccinated are still humans and we should still try and minimize how many of them get sick." NOTE: I'm vaccinated and b…

It's not a fatalistic viewpoint and it does contribute. This disease will always be with us and the sooner we find a way to return to semi-normalcy rahter than osciallting around every time a new variant with different properties shows up, the better.

> it does contribute.

It really didn't. It reads like something I'd see in a JPG compressed meme you'd see on /r/forwardsFromGrandma.

Are you saying that we shouldn't do anything if we see a new variant?

> This disease will always be with us

That sounds fatalistic to me, at least with the more colloquial use of the word.

To be clear, I don't necessarily think you're wrong. It's a valid viewpoint, and I think it's not unreasonable to say "the sooner we find a way to return to semi-normalcy rahter than osciallting around every time a new variant with different properties shows up, the better."