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Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by tomjen3 »

samwillis wrote: post #29
keewee7 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anyone is doubting how much influence US intelligence has over Danish intelligence: >Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish weapons manufacturer. The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself. https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on... The NSA made the Danish FE spy on bot…

> “The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself.” It’s long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when it would be illegal to do so themselves. The NSA for example would find it difficult to spy on Senators, this is there way around it. And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the las…

This may be an extreme belief, but I don't think we need intelligence services to operate anywhere wear regular courts would be an answer. The FBI can get a warrant if they have a reason and the intelligence services obviously don't stop things they should, such as corruption and child sex abuse.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by tomjen3 »

Mizza wrote: post #27

Secret charges and courts corrupt democratic society. Extrajudicial "intelligence" agencies must be dismantled.

We have lots of secret charges in Denmark. Usually it is because there are more than one person involved and we don't want to tip anybody of.

Often the identity of the person involved is also secret, but that is to protected that person, in case he or she is innocent. Such orders are always removed when the person is found guilty (to my knowledge anyway).

I think charges have to be revealed when the actual proceedings start, and of course the defendant and their lawyers know.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by pomdapi »

kzrdude wrote: post #30
decebalus1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean 'Dannebrog' (Dannebrogordenen)? Dannebro reads like a title a fraternity would give you

The 'g' is not sounded out loud anyway in Dannebrog, so your interpretation still lives, I can happily report.

Oh jeez, so that bunch of drunk Danish students I've seen do all the bars in the street was in fact a wild pack of Dannebros...

Duly noted.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by samwillis »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #48
samwillis wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not for a second what I am suggesting.

Really? Because from your original comment, the NSA is circumventing protections that are in place to spy on US citizens That is exactly what you are suggesting. These rules should not be "bent" because there are legal mechanisms to investigate that are being blatantly bypassed to make things easier

First, artificialLimbs comment has been edited and toned down significantly since it was first posted.

Second, my personal opinion on how intelligent agency’s operate is irrelevant. I am only trying to inform on my understanding how they sometimes operate in relation to the original far more interesting article.

Checks and balances are obviously essential and are the priority in all cases.

Finally, while I don’t believe in the boogie man, people, anyone, can be bad.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by tgv »

topper-123 wrote: post #28

The timeline of this is very strange: - in august he had been put on administrative leave - he was imprisoned on the 9th of december - on the 13th of december an independant commission set up by parliament (consisting of three judges) exponerated everyone implicated in this case - on the 14th of december, the minister of defence welcomed him back to work - today, 10th of january the public learned for the first time…

The earlier case was about handling data of Danish citizens, according to the Dutch news agency, which had been denounced by the oversight authority.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by znd »

luser007 wrote: post #42

A bit of background: Since WW2 Denmark has aligned itself with the US. This has been the consensus since then across all the major parties (Conservatives, Liberals, Social-Liberals and Social-Democratic (with a noteworthy exception[1])). The stance has during all those years from time to time been challenged by fringe parties like the Communist Party and the far-right Progress Party (who suggested that the Danish def…

The english Wikipedia seems to have the article of the B52-crash in Thule here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by luser007 »

znd wrote: post #56
luser007 wrote: post #42

A bit of background: Since WW2 Denmark has aligned itself with the US. This has been the consensus since then across all the major parties (Conservatives, Liberals, Social-Liberals and Social-Democratic (with a noteworthy exception[1])). The stance has during all those years from time to time been challenged by fringe parties like the Communist Party and the far-right Progress Party (who suggested that the Danish def…

The english Wikipedia seems to have the article of the B52-crash in Thule here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash

Thanks for the correction! Didn't find it at first.

It supports my assertion that the Danish politicians "indicated" something to the Americans and told the Danish public something else:

" Denmark's nuclear-free zone policy originated in 1957, when the coalition government decided in the lead-up to the Paris NATO summit not to stockpile nuclear weapons on its soil in peacetime.[77][78] The presence of the bomber in Greenland airspace in 1968 therefore triggered public suspicions and accusations that the policy was being violated.

[...]

The report blamed Danish Prime Minister H. C. Hansen for intentionally introducing ambiguity in the Danish–U.S. security agreement: he was not asked about, nor did he mention, the official Danish nuclear policy when meeting with the United States ambassador in 1957 to discuss Thule Air Base. Hansen followed up the discussion with an infamous letter pointing out that the issue of "supplies of munition of a special kind" was not raised during the discussion, but that he had nothing further to add.[87] In doing so, the report concluded, he tacitly gave the United States the go-ahead to store nuclear weapons at Thule.[88]

[...]

The report also confirmed that the United States stockpiled nuclear weapons in Greenland until 1965, contradicting assurances by Danish foreign minister Niels Helveg Petersen that the weapons were in Greenland's airspace, but never on the ground."

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by phkahler »

throwaway4good wrote: post #6

This is an absolutely bonkers story by Danish standard. The guy is amongst the highest ranking civil servants, holds the order of Dannebro. On top of this a number of Danish journalists have been "taken in for a chat" by the intelligence services. The charges are still secret, but appears to be related to this story: Danish secret service helped US spy on Germany's Angela Merkel: report https://www.dw.com/en/danish-s…

When the head of the agency can't stop the agency from doing something he doesn't like...

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by artificialLimbs »

samwillis wrote: post #54
netizen-936824 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Because from your original comment, the NSA is circumventing protections that are in place to spy on US citizens That is exactly what you are suggesting. These rules should not be "bent" because there are legal mechanisms to investigate that are being blatantly bypassed to make things easier

First, artificialLimbs comment has been edited and toned down significantly since it was first posted. Second, my personal opinion on how intelligent agency’s operate is irrelevant. I am only trying to inform on my understanding how they sometimes operate in relation to the original far more interesting article. Checks and balances are obviously essential and are the priority in all cases. Finally, while I don’t beli…

>> First, artificialLimbs comment has been edited and toned down significantly since it was first posted.

No it wasn't. Unless you could see what I typed into the web form before I hit submit.

>> while I don’t believe in the boogie man

Well you should. They're here. They are the NSA, the FBI, the CIA, and other government agencies that regularly operate out of bounds of legality. If the horrible things that they have done and continue to do don't shock you and create the desire for their radical change or elimination entirely, you are stupid or malicious.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by samwillis »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #59
samwillis wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, artificialLimbs comment has been edited and toned down significantly since it was first posted. Second, my personal opinion on how intelligent agency’s operate is irrelevant. I am only trying to inform on my understanding how they sometimes operate in relation to the original far more interesting article. Checks and balances are obviously essential and are the priority in all cases. Finally, while I don’t beli…

>> First, artificialLimbs comment has been edited and toned down significantly since it was first posted. No it wasn't. Unless you could see what I typed into the web form before I hit submit. >> while I don’t believe in the boogie man Well you should. They're here. They are the NSA, the FBI, the CIA, and other government agencies that regularly operate out of bounds of legality. If the horrible things that they have…

Apologies if I’m mistaken, I just thought I recalled it being phrased differently. I’m not renowned for my short term memory.

I’m not American and so have little interest in their internal politics other than as a spectator.

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