More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ • Hacker News Board

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by vernie » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

SerLava wrote: post #21

_xnmw wrote: post #7

The risk is now "priced in" to our consciousness. Back when it first started, covid was a big scary unknown risk to take for simply going outside and interacting with people. Now, it's a well-known risk, and people are willing to take that risk, along with other well-known risks for going outside, like the risk of getting into a car accident or slipping and falling.

Yes it's sort of like the alarming scourge of preventable automotive deaths, except that it's over 10 times worse. Also like slipping and falling, but about 20 times worse.

Okay?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by tombert » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

smm11 wrote: post #16

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Does a comment like this actually contribute to anything? I don't want to be mean, but this is a comment that would probably be more appropriate on Reddit or 4chan.

That said, a fatalistic viewpoint is valid enough philosophy, but I am still in the camp of "even if I don't like them very much, the unvaccinated are still humans and we should still try and minimize how many of them get sick."

NOTE: I'm vaccinated and boosted, and wouldn't have a problem getting another booster if the WHO or CDC recommends it.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by denimnerd42 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

VeninVidiaVicii wrote: post #19

denimnerd42 wrote: post #12

i think i'm done with current level vaccines. I've had 3 mrna. The second and third each took me out for 2 days. I don't see any reason for more unless a better one comes out. I do think 3 are important though.

For all vaccines, neutralizing antibody titers decrease over time. This is why boosters exist in the first place.

From what I've seen so far the antibodies don't really last long enough. I'll rely on long term t-cell protection. At least that's what I think so far.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by chrischen » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

EMM_386 wrote: post #14

I'm double vaxxed and boosted and just spent 4 days in the hospital with Covid. I actually entered the hospital without Covid and got it while I was in there. They had the entire place divided into separate wings and I had to be transferred between them. 103 degree fever, pulse 130, was pretty awful but came out of it fine. I, too, am done with all of it. Let the chips fall where they may now.

Was the hospital stay a precaution or was it medically necessary?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by dekhn » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

_xnmw wrote: post #7

The risk is now "priced in" to our consciousness. Back when it first started, covid was a big scary unknown risk to take for simply going outside and interacting with people. Now, it's a well-known risk, and people are willing to take that risk, along with other well-known risks for going outside, like the risk of getting into a car accident or slipping and falling.

I think the big question is whether deaths were front loaded. IE, in future waves, far fewer people will die, because people most predisposed to death had already died. This is my guess, but it's decidedly non-scientific.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by _zamorano_ » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

oauea wrote: post #6

torstenvl wrote: post #2

I think it boils down to two questions: - What is the average level of risk to someone taking reasonable personal precautions? - What level of state-sponsored violence is justifiable to further reduce that risk? Governments and societies have been acting out-of-control and it needs to stop. If people don't want to take personal precautions, they should be at liberty to assume the additional risk.

What violence?

How about Emmanuel Macron, french prime minister, wanting to "...piss them off. And we will continue to do this, to the end. This is the strategy.”"

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by collias » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:45 PM UTC

denimnerd42 wrote: post #12

i think i'm done with current level vaccines. I've had 3 mrna. The second and third each took me out for 2 days. I don't see any reason for more unless a better one comes out. I do think 3 are important though.

Apparently, booster efficacy wanes after about 10 weeks[1].

If you think the 3rd shot is important, why not the 4th, 5th, ad infinitum?

Genuinely curious, not trying to be difficult.

[1]: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by some_furry » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:45 PM UTC

throwawayboise wrote: post #23

_xnmw wrote: post #7

The risk is now "priced in" to our consciousness. Back when it first started, covid was a big scary unknown risk to take for simply going outside and interacting with people. Now, it's a well-known risk, and people are willing to take that risk, along with other well-known risks for going outside, like the risk of getting into a car accident or slipping and falling.

Some people were in the "willing to take that risk" from the beginning, and were relentlessly demonized. Now it's OK though if everyone feels that way.

Now it's OK if they're sufficiently vaccinated*

Vaccines weren't widely available back then

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by ceejayoz » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:45 PM UTC

throwawayboise wrote: post #23

_xnmw wrote: post #7

The risk is now "priced in" to our consciousness. Back when it first started, covid was a big scary unknown risk to take for simply going outside and interacting with people. Now, it's a well-known risk, and people are willing to take that risk, along with other well-known risks for going outside, like the risk of getting into a car accident or slipping and falling.

Some people were in the "willing to take that risk" from the beginning, and were relentlessly demonized. Now it's OK though if everyone feels that way.

Being willing to take on the risk yourself and being willing to inflict it on others aren't the same thing.

If you could drive drunk without risking other people, it'd be more societally acceptable. Similarly, now that vaccination is widely available for at-risk groups, it's a bit more acceptable to take actions that spread the virus that puts those folks at risk.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by haswell » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:45 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

> There would have been so much less confusion if they were consistent with their communication from the start

I think it's worth considering a different framing:

> "There would have been so much less confusion if COVID variants and transmission/hospitalization/death rates remained consistent from the start"

It's easy to call out the communication, and don't get me wrong, it surely could have been better. But I often see this sentiment without acknowledging that the communication problems are a symptom, and driven by a very unpredictable situation, and very appropriate changes in policy based on that evolving situation.