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Google Had Secret Project to ‘Convince’ Employees ‘That Unions Suck’

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Re: Google Had Secret Project to ‘Convince’ Employees ‘That Unions Suck’

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Yeah, let's focus on the company that pays their employees 15x minimum wage and has top tier vacation, healthcare, and maternity/paternity leave.

While helping ICE traumatize kids for life, and illegally surveilling employees who quit over it. Ew.

I hope your comment goes to the top. It highlights the real reason for hating these large corporations. Ignorance.

Re: Google Had Secret Project to ‘Convince’ Employees ‘That Unions Suck’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unions just spread hatred and anything they say could be classified as hate speech. Man, companies really hate negotiating wages/benefits with a party that has equal power. Reminds me of: Michael Scott : I am a victim of a hate crime. Stanley knows what I'm talking about. Stanley : That's not what a hate crime is. Michael Scott : Well, I hated it, a lot, okay.

Sorry, it was an tongue in cheek comment not appropriate for HN. I believe the problem with censorship through the veneer of hate speech should be obvious. Only way to hinder corporate and state censorship being extended is if the factions that supported it come to their senses. They are far greater in numbers than those that thought it through.

Oops. I'm rarely stumped by lack of a "/s" but that one got me!

Re: Google Had Secret Project to ‘Convince’ Employees ‘That Unions Suck’

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Imputing altruistic morals to profit-seeking entities and then continually being surprised and offended when companies act shady puts employees in a pointlessly weak position.

Instead, treat the relationship as adversarial and come ready for battle every day against the legal structure designed to exploit you for the benefit of distant shareholders.

There is no shame in fighting for yourself. You are worth it.

Re: Google Had Secret Project to ‘Convince’ Employees ‘That Unions Suck’

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Imputing altruistic morals to profit-seeking entities and then continually being surprised and offended when companies act shady puts employees in a pointlessly weak position. Instead, treat the relationship as adversarial and come ready for battle every day against the legal structure designed to exploit you for the benefit of distant shareholders. There is no shame in fighting for yourself. You are worth it.

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Re: Google Had Secret Project to ‘Convince’ Employees ‘That Unions Suck’

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post #5

Yeah, let's focus on the company that pays their employees 15x minimum wage and has top tier vacation, healthcare, and maternity/paternity leave.

Its a trillion dollar company with some/many employees delivering quite a bit more value than they are paid 1) Collectively getting the better stake of the pie influences other organizations compensation methods/amounts 2) the market is telling employees what to do, meaning that it doesn’t matter that an individual can do far more work for less pay somewhere else - just don’t do those things.

The underpayment was a top priority of google, to the point that individual executives committed crimes that should have led to their incarceration - had the DoJ interpreted the law according to its text rather than according to their political ideology.

As it stands, all the DoJ was capable of was issuing guidance that acknowledged that crimes were committed that should have led to jail time, and politely asks corporate executives to not commit those crimes again, on pain of another chiding letter.

Re: Google Had Secret Project to ‘Convince’ Employees ‘That Unions Suck’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need to. These companies have self-sufficient intelligence operations, and they employ seasoned experts. At an outfit like Google, and that may involve too many people overriding checks to be worth the risk of a leak. It's hard to say, I've never worked for Google. The Pinkertons are still active in union-busting, and they are retained by shiny "Great Place To Work"-type businesses. They're just covert now…

They'd be secret police if anyone believed that HR's job wasn't to protect the company.

Lots of people are naive about HR's real purpose. In my experience people see them as neutral arbiters, and go to them for help with personnel issues never thinking that they're seen as potentially threatening to the organization.

Re: Google Had Secret Project to ‘Convince’ Employees ‘That Unions Suck’

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I don't believe it's only Google, and I don't think it's particularly secret.

The New York Times has had an anti-tech vendetta for a while now. Most likely, in my cynical worldview, because tech has hurt their subscription numbers immensely, not because they want to do the world a service.

An example of this is when they published a whole story about a guy who became radicalized from YouTube... and then became unradicalized a few months later without doing anything radical. But someone could have stayed radicalized so Google needs to censor YouTube and hand back authority to the fact checkers and trusted news, which conveniently happens to be... The New York Times.

Another example would be when The New York Times wrote a whole shock article about the shocking nature of dark patterns in technology and the irresponsibility and corruption of Big Tech for using them. Except that their own unsubscribe system is loaded with dark patterns that are even worse.

Do I think that YouTube isn't partially responsible? Of course they have some responsibility, but The New York Times and other news sources are capitalizing on the situation for their own interests.

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