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New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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PickledHotdog wrote: post #115
notabotyet wrote: post #101

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You know, you're also living through a global pandemic - that's a lot of mental weight to deal with whether you're conscious of it or not. The virus is an invisible, borderless threat to your existence. That's a lot of "24/7 background" stress to exist in with no relief, which makes it difficult to handle other stresses that life throws up. I wonder if perhaps it's the global situation of the last 2 years that's caus…

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Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by raxxorrax »

feistypharit wrote: post #46

Don’t forget the placebo effect works both ways. All the antivax people that got the vaccine even though they may not have wanted to, are going attribute everything weird that then happens to the vaccine. This is all going to take years to sort out and figure out what’s real and what’s not. And we’ll never know 100%. The bigger issue is whether we’ll be able to trust our present or future leaders to let science do it…

We have unvaccinated control groups in countries that don't get a vaccine, so we probably will know at some point.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by raxxorrax »

walterbell wrote: post #17

I wish we could have a disclaimer on every article/study about vaccine side effects, something like: "This is not an attack on vaccines, pharmaceutical interventions, associated stakeholders or policy makers. This is not a statistical assessment of risk for specific audiences. Please focus feedback and resources on specific treatments for the living human beings who have been injured. Even one in a million is of litt…

This is basically why you should always refrain from banning your opposition by means that aren't an argument.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by raxxorrax »

robbiep wrote: post #52
alexmcc81 wrote: post #41

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> Well I’m taking a stand against the anecdote then I am not generalising, just providing a single data point about my local health service which is very relevant to my treatment. Even if it an outlier or does not match your colleagues experiences it does not make it less true for me. I recommend reading the top comment by walterbell. Not everything is an attack on medicine/science. While it's important to keep discu…

If you read my comment you will see that it is not, in fact an attack on you and if I had not made the unfortunate use of the word ‘claim’ and instead said ‘I’d like to counter your anecdote with one of my own …… and lets wait until there’s more data’ then we wouldn’t be having this thread. As it stands I apologise and also retract my snappy comment that you are replying to above. The problem with anecdote, whichever…

> The problem with anecdote, whichever way you cut it, particularly in a charged debate like this, is that they get picked up and snowball just like the election being stolen

Rationalize all you want, you just stated that you don't like this information. Sometimes words reveal ourselves.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by raxxorrax »

The_rationalist wrote: post #103

Its a crime that third dose is obligatory in france despite lack of scientific data regarding the propensity of the strength of imflammation and oxidative stress following a third dose. I will coadminister an antioxidant to my forced injection in order to diminish risk of accellerated ageing. claimer: I have expertise in pharmacology

The problem I see is that it is applied to everyone. Children have an extremely low risk profile and the potential side effects might surpass a covid infection by some magnitudes.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by mizzack »

giantg2 wrote: post #68
alexmcc81 wrote: post #24

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Thanks you for this thoughtful response. I chose to be vaccinated and unfortunately have suffered serious consequences like a very small number of other people will statistically. It's been pretty disheartening to see that sharing anything negative about vaccines, even those warned about by medical officials, leads to very negative reactions from people (being told to shut up, being censored/downvoted online etc). I…

Good luck with any compensation. I hear it's even harder to get compensated through the countermeasure program than the regular vaccine program.

Yep, a lot of people are unaware that this is covered by a separate, wildly different program. The coverages are outlined here:

https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/cicp-vicp

CICP only covers severe physical injury or death, has a 1 year filing limit, only covers related reimbursement (not pain and suffering), and is eligibility is an administrative decision (not a judicial one).

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by joshuahughes »

PickledHotdog wrote: post #110
foxhop wrote: post #92

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Incredibly disappointing to see foxhop's comments flagged and dead, while pickledhotdog's snark lives on.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html is worth a read.

"Don't be snarky."

"Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community."

"Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names."

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by benpiper »

Many people don't realize that antibody production is not necessarily a good thing. In a strep infection, antibodies are what actually cause rheumatic fever. That's why antibiotics are so important to kill off the infection before the adaptive immune system kicks in.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by benpiper »

alexmcc81 wrote: post #24
walterbell wrote: post #17

I wish we could have a disclaimer on every article/study about vaccine side effects, something like: "This is not an attack on vaccines, pharmaceutical interventions, associated stakeholders or policy makers. This is not a statistical assessment of risk for specific audiences. Please focus feedback and resources on specific treatments for the living human beings who have been injured. Even one in a million is of litt…

Thanks you for this thoughtful response. I chose to be vaccinated and unfortunately have suffered serious consequences like a very small number of other people will statistically. It's been pretty disheartening to see that sharing anything negative about vaccines, even those warned about by medical officials, leads to very negative reactions from people (being told to shut up, being censored/downvoted online etc). I…

I'm sorry to hear that. We need your voice. There are people who still haven't gotten "vaccinated" and are under pressure to do so. By speaking up you might be able to save someone else from what you're going through. Please don't let people shut you down. Your personal experience is the gold standard of scientific and clinical evidence. Any pushback you get is irrational and based on fear and ignorance.
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