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Blame Cronyism, Not Capitalism

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Re: Blame Cronyism, Not Capitalism

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Not a shocker that corruption ruins things. I guess then the question is how you can design a broadly distributed system that removes the incentives for corruption and minimizes its impact. My guess is that such a system won't be found in capitalism

It will be found in open source networks, and possibly will come into being through government funding.

Re: Blame Cronyism, Not Capitalism

#12

Cronyism is the logical conclusion of capitalism.

Capitalism is not "markets", people have had markets at least as long as we've had agriculture. Capitalism is markets in pieces of paper such as government bonds, tulip futures, corporate stock, etc. Capitalism is a great platform for cronyism because it accumulates huge amounts of wealth in one place. Without capitalism the wages of corruption would be much less.

Yes, people have had capitalism since Homo Sapiens emerged. It just became more sophisticated, enabling higher levels of productivity.

Institutions like contract law and constitutionally limited government helped the reign in corruption to some extent. If corruption is to mean deceit, abuse and exploitation, corruption has existed since as long as humans have existed. That is why homicide rates in prehistory were 30%.

Re: Blame Cronyism, Not Capitalism

#13

Not a shocker that corruption ruins things. I guess then the question is how you can design a broadly distributed system that removes the incentives for corruption and minimizes its impact. My guess is that such a system won't be found in capitalism

Capitalism quite clearly requires strong regulation. At least, any sort of positive capitalism that doesn't immediately succumb to monopolies, cartels and corruption.

The problem is that the loudest voices arguing for capitalism, also tend to argue against regulation, accountability, and that sort of thing.

Re: Blame Cronyism, Not Capitalism

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post #6

Why not blame human nature's shortcomings, instead of any *ism... Capitalism, Communism, Socialism and what not.

It's not very constructive, is it? "It's human nature to be exploited"

Then again, not a lot seem to happen when pointing at short-comings or issues of prioritizing profit and growth above all else in society either.

Re: Blame Cronyism, Not Capitalism

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Cronyism is the logical conclusion of capitalism.

Market forces are objective, real, external. They eliminate weak competitors, and cronyism weakens companies. So if capitalism is defined by existence of the market forces... than you are wrong. If you define capitalism as market + capital and the your claim is that market in combination of other (than private property) ways of allocating capital would work better... I still disagree.

Re: Blame Cronyism, Not Capitalism

#18
Capitalism is not something that exists outside of government, governments create capitalism through property (and other) laws. And since capitalism forces firms to focus only on profit, it similarly forces them to attempt to corrupt government to increase their profits. The problem of cronyism exists inside of capitalism, not outside of it and not separable from it.

Re: Blame Cronyism, Not Capitalism

#19
> "And maybe in places like India or China, and other parts of the developing world, they would say, ‘capitalist industries are causing environmental harm and inadequate healthcare"

I don't think that's limited to "places like India or China".

Re: Blame Cronyism, Not Capitalism

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post #13

Not a shocker that corruption ruins things. I guess then the question is how you can design a broadly distributed system that removes the incentives for corruption and minimizes its impact. My guess is that such a system won't be found in capitalism

Capitalism quite clearly requires strong regulation. At least, any sort of positive capitalism that doesn't immediately succumb to monopolies, cartels and corruption. The problem is that the loudest voices arguing for capitalism, also tend to argue against regulation, accountability, and that sort of thing.

Who regulates the regulator ?

If it is the government then it goes back to the people being aware of their interests and not allowing themselves to be manipulated. Which is never going to be the case.

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