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If it‘s impossible to iron out side effects, do not make vaccination obligatory then.
If you're afraid of side effects, you should abstain from any form of medical care, then.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it‘s impossible to iron out side effects, do not make vaccination obligatory then.
If you're afraid of side effects, you should abstain from any form of medical care, then.
Medical care is a matter of personal choice in most situations. You can even have a DNR order if you want. However, covid19 vaccines are mandated in many places.
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You’re at a 30x (minimum) increased risk, as well as running a 0.5-2% chance of dying depending on your state of health. If you’re less than 18, you have a higher risk of type 1 OR type 2 diabetes. Anyone who willingly runs that risk in the light of a (let’s face it, extremely safe) alternative is making some sort of strange calculus that is not in any way rational
Source for 30x risk of autoimmune disorder? And no, the floor of fatality is not 0.5%, you’re off by an order of magnitude (too high) at least. And source for risk of diabetes. You’re throwing a lot of “facts” around that don’t seem to be true.
I am unfortunately off by a long way on myocarditis, the reported rates are 5-6x. I was confused, my apologies. [1, 2].
The diabetes link is 3. After posting it in another post I was directed to some useful criticism.
My numbers are IFR rates in a pre-vaccinated world not controlling for age. I think you’ll have to refine your counter claim on mortality, certainly it is lower in children and young adults, but CFR from early in the pandemic (and I accept poor correlation between incidence and reported cases) was scarily high for young adults before we knew how to treat it.
1. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocardi...
2. https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021...
3. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm?s_cid=mm...
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Thanks you for this thoughtful response. I chose to be vaccinated and unfortunately have suffered serious consequences like a very small number of other people will statistically. It's been pretty disheartening to see that sharing anything negative about vaccines, even those warned about by medical officials, leads to very negative reactions from people (being told to shut up, being censored/downvoted online etc). I…
I hope your situation will improve eventually. Are you at least getting compensated?
Someone else, but my guess would be no. It's not too difficult to get compensated if your injury is on the list of known injuries. This being a new vaccine, there is not a lot of history to have produced a robust list.
If it's not on the list, you have to prove that it was more likely than not caused by the vaccine. You have to provide the theory for the underlying mechanism that caused it. So if it's really rare, you're screwed because there likely hasn't been much if any research on it. Then it will take a minimum of 3 years to into a courtroom because the government has left the vaccine courts severely understaffed.
Dealing with something similar in my family. I believe it's an autoimmune autonomic dysfunction issue brought on by multiple simultaneously administered vaccines. This presented a few days after vaccination and the doctors didn't even report it to VAERS! They had no explanation of the cause yet didn't care to report it as a possible event simply because it's not required by law or "I'm not the primary care physician".
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#86Anyone that's worried about autoimmune phenomena after vaccination should look at autoimmune phenomena post Covid infection
Disclaimer: Former public health researcher; strongly pro-vaccine. Your point is true. However, people may find the phrasing slightly aggressive. The people posting symptom reports here mostly seem to be level-headed and understanding of the public health benefit they took a risk to bring about. There needs to be an accepting forum for people to report negative outcomes. Such statements provide necessary information…
> There needs to be an accepting forum for people to report negative outcomes. Such statements provide necessary information on the risks associated with the vaccine, and how to mitigate these risks.
I definitely agree with this, and the risks should be known. Especially in the context of a spreading virus.
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#87I'm in this boat. I'm worried I now have a life long disability before 35. I'm waiting for an appointment with a Rheumatology consultant and I have been told by my doctor they have been inundated with people with post COVID vaccine side effects. Edit: I would like to hear other people's experiences if they are willing to post them.
My MIL has rheumatoid arthritis which came on suddenly last year out of nowhere. It’s always in the back of your head that perhaps it has some link to the vaccination but I’m withholding judgment until proper statistics are available. She was a ( daily ) smoker but has given up since the diagnosis. Note that everyone in both families are vaccinated, boosted etc and it has not changed her opinion on vaccination.
Rheumatoid arthritis among older female smokers is very common
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That is awful to hear. I unfortunately think this entire debacle will leave a lasting distrust of our medical providers and institutions. Vaccine hesitant are already distrustful, and I believe in the coming months/year as more stand up to the censorship of these real issues, a growing number of vaccinated will feel mislead and lied to (whether justified or not). The only recovery path I can see is the return of a st…
A good first step might be making sure the population is educated sufficiently to identify and weigh the risks between a 1 in 1,000,000 side effect, the disease the vaccine protects against, and the pure bullshit peddled by fear mongers. Right now, we have people in the US who still believe that Covid is no worse than a bad case of the flu. All the evidence (at least for the pre Omicron variants) suggests that the re…
I'm just an anecdote, but I've had COVID. It was less than a bad case of the flu. To pretend that it affects everyone equally and that they're all the worst thing ever is malpractice. Risk communication should always have been striated by age/comorbidity and let people make decisions from there.
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#89I must say I'm surprised at most of the comments here. Whatever happened to "corelation does not imply causation"?
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#90Don’t forget the placebo effect works both ways. All the antivax people that got the vaccine even though they may not have wanted to, are going attribute everything weird that then happens to the vaccine. This is all going to take years to sort out and figure out what’s real and what’s not. And we’ll never know 100%. The bigger issue is whether we’ll be able to trust our present or future leaders to let science do it…
"This is all going to take years to sort out and figure out what’s real and what’s not."
It shouldn't have to if the system actually works. The problem is VEARS sees significant under reporting. In theory, you should report every little thing that has an unknown cause. Then researchers can view the data and eliminate symptoms by comparing them to the population baseline occurrence.