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Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by ZeroGravitas » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:17 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #330

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #172

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Why would anyone want to block, rather than mute? I suppose it's more 'honest' in some ways but the implementation as described almost feels designed to create drama. Is it easier to block or to mute? Which one is the de facto default in the UI?

Mute is self-curation by the author. Whereas Block is the closest thing to moderation for ones' followers. People have different thresholds for both actions.

This makes sense, kind of like kicking someone from a chat room or subreddit you control because that's not the kind of discussion you want.

It seems most people who use twitter don't understand this though.

Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by baq » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:19 AM UTC

j0057 wrote: post #61

> low-lying coastal nations like Bangladesh And lots of other places. About 1 billion people live along coastlines at 20 meters or less above sea level, and 200 million at 5 meters or less. I live in a wealthy country but well within the 5 meters range and am already having to think about whether it wouldn't be more prudent to sell my house today, now that it's still worth something, and emigrate to somewhere with a…

good news is it'll take a loooong time to heat up that much water.

Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by Psychlist » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:20 AM UTC

volkk wrote: post #333

rektide wrote: post #314

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It's pathetic beyond words that there's no other moderation systems available. To take remorseless, infinite action against someone who may be having a bad day, or who may feel strongly against something: it's a drastic drastic overreaction. But we have literally no choice; on most sites blocking/muting are the only options available to us to de-espouse incoming comments. This is a technical fault, heartlessness is b…

somewhere underneath all of this vulgarity, i see your point and it's quite interesting. really wonder whether the whole "block" attitude is actually detrimental. never really thought about it that way, and have always imagined it is the only way to "be" on the internet. but maybe something better exists, but nobody imaginative or powerful enough has yet uncovered it. thanks for your POV.

Some forums used to have a "block for a while" option, usually hours or days. But that dropped out of fashion for reasons I am not sure of - I suspect most users discovered that actually it was just annoying to repeatedly re-block the same people.

Stross blog has a user known as "the seagull" who creates new accounts frequently and spams vulgarity daily. She knows Stross personally and apparently he has decreed that she is allowed to do that. So a lot of his readers install plugins to suppress her comments... and have to regularly block new accounts that she creates (she has a very distinctive posting style)

Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by temptemptemp111 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:22 AM UTC

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Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by majewsky » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:22 AM UTC

elihu wrote: post #246

ip26 wrote: post #155

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Cars don’t last as long as you’d think, on average. There will also be a knee in the curve where the ICE fleet drops below critical mass and gas stations start shutting down - and the harder it becomes to find a station, the faster people will switch.

I think EVs will quickly overtake ICE vehicles once they're price competitive and battery manufacturing scales up to the levels needed, but that's a separate issue from government bans. My point is that several governments now have policies in place that say they're going to ban the sale of new ICE vehicles after a certain date. But they aren't going to disallow the use of ICE vehicles in their country or on their ro…

> I think EVs will quickly overtake ICE vehicles once they're price competitive and battery manufacturing scales up to the levels needed, but that's a separate issue from government bans.

Not entirely. Government bans provide additional incentive for manufacturers to switch to EVs, which hastens price competitiveness through economy-of-scale effects.

Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by Psychlist » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:23 AM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #198

YMMV, but feels to me that cstross's Cassandra pessimism has increased rapidly each year, with good reason, but some of these pieces are overly-sensationalist. I still remember his whole bit in 2017 about how Hurricane Harvey was going to destroy Houston - how'd that turn out? http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2017/08/houston-... But I will say his 2015 piece, "A different cluetrain", still holds up with gr…

He has had personal issues, loved ones dying and so on. Plus he had to basically bin a year's work when the US elected Trump and suddenly his "satire" seemed tame and boring by comparison. Near future fiction is prone to that, but Stross got smacked hard. So a bit of pessimism is kind of understandable.

Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by majewsky » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:27 AM UTC

kenneth wrote: post #402

kxrm wrote: post #175

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I think ICE cars will see a retro use period like many nostalgic things, so while I agree the daily driver will change, it's very likely that fuel will be seen as some sort of luxury product. Right now fuel is a loss leader for most gas stations, that dynamic will definitely change as ICE vehicles become a toy or status symbol for upper middle class and wealthy people.

Huh, you're saying that gas station sell their main product at a loss and then make back the difference on what… tictacs and slim jims?

Actually yes. I don't recall it being a loss leader, but at the very least, gasoline has a very low margin because the gas price market is highly price-competitive. Store items have a much higher margin (as much is obvious just by looking at sticker prices). The average motorist will not purchase a lot from the store (as seen from your quip about "tictacs and slim jims"), but you also have truck drivers who are much more frequent customers of gas stations.

Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by aldonius » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:29 AM UTC

beambot wrote: post #396

j0057 wrote: post #61

> low-lying coastal nations like Bangladesh And lots of other places. About 1 billion people live along coastlines at 20 meters or less above sea level, and 200 million at 5 meters or less. I live in a wealthy country but well within the 5 meters range and am already having to think about whether it wouldn't be more prudent to sell my house today, now that it's still worth something, and emigrate to somewhere with a…

I love the irony in SFBA of major tech companies building their new HQs right on the water's edge. They'll be the first to acknowledge anthropogenic climate change, yet I've never been able to get a satisfactory justification for their realestate decisions.

They expect to be able to move (or out of business) by the time that it becomes an issue. If it's just an office building in the downtown, the tech company doesn't own the building anyway, they've just signed a reasonably long lease.

Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by drewm1980 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:30 AM UTC

I stopped reading when the author listed chicken pox alongside much more lethal childhood diseases. That said, I'm still pro vaccination for chicken pox, and went out of my way to get my child vaccinated even though it is extremely uncommon here in Belgium.

Re: Oh, 2022

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Post by Arnt » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:32 AM UTC

elihu wrote: post #246

ip26 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars don’t last as long as you’d think, on average. There will also be a knee in the curve where the ICE fleet drops below critical mass and gas stations start shutting down - and the harder it becomes to find a station, the faster people will switch.

I think EVs will quickly overtake ICE vehicles once they're price competitive and battery manufacturing scales up to the levels needed, but that's a separate issue from government bans. My point is that several governments now have policies in place that say they're going to ban the sale of new ICE vehicles after a certain date. But they aren't going to disallow the use of ICE vehicles in their country or on their ro…

It sounds as if you're disregarding early effects of the bans and overvaluing late ones.

For example, if someplace bans new ICE car sales from 2032, ten years from now, what does that do for the value of car-related businesses in 2027, five years from now? If you own a petrol station in a city and are offered a lowish price from a property developer, do you close the business? Or do you assume that you can sell at a higher price in 2037?

Or if you're looking for a new car in 2027, five years before the ban takes effect, do you think you'll be able to sell your car at a nice price in 2037? As of 2027 there's no ban on selling used cars, but do you trust that to remain?