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I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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Any particular reason why? I’ve heard people complain about newer ThinkPads, but haven’t heard much negative about older ones, such as the one in this article. They do seem to be very popular, and unfortunately for some operating systems they’re one of the few “safe” options with hardware support. I personally haven’t found any particular laptop brand or model I particularly loved.

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Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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Funny story, I'm actually looking to make the opposite switch t430 -> t480.

My t430 is already equipped with 16gb ram and modded EC so I can use cheap 3rd party batteries and the OG 7 row keyboard instead of the trash 6 row island keyboard. There are still some upgrades to be made like i7 QM cpu, and a 1600x900 IPS screen, but I just can't justify the costs anymore.

The reason for moving to t480 soon is that I'll be doing the t25 frankenpad mod solely just for the 7 row keyboard. Better power effiecient cpu, nvme and high res screen is a cherry on top.

So far my thinkpad experience has been superb, and both my machines t410 + t430 have survived many drops and various liquid spills(water/coffee/alcohol) and besides replacing the keyboard, I had 0 issues. Hopefully the t480 will be similar experience.

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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After upgrading the display, CPU, disk, RAM, fan, battery it's a bit click-baity to say you've gone back to a 2012 ThinkPad - but interesting read non the less.

What surprised me the most is that Lenovo ships something as annoying as a loud fan (easily replaceable even for a home tinkerer). Of course they save a few pennies per laptop; but no laptop can ever be good if it's noisy. That was one of the main reasons why I bought an X301 ThinkPad many years ago, even when it fanned like crazy it was very quiet. But the clever design of the original ThinkPad's was starting to fade already then; the X301 actually had it's speakers on top. So you could spill liquid on it, unless you happened to spill it on top of one of your top mounted speakers of course.

I've also gone through a few ThinkPad's over the years, and ever since they stopped being IBM; they seem to loose more and more of the "premium feel" for every generation. Especially the keyboard is way better on my old T40 then on the one I use right now (T14).

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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> the hardcore guys have literally ripped out the motherboard and installed a completely different motherboard with a modern i7 CPU. So, a CPU upgrade? How is that not what OP mentions? The LCD upgrade is also on the wishlist..

> So, a CPU upgrade? How is that not what OP mentions? Are you asking how replacing the motherboard in a laptop with a custom third party hobbyist replacement is different from putting a faster CPU in a CPU socket?

I think most people are not aware that there was a time when laptop CPUs were replacable and not soldered on.

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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This laptop doesn't have a dedicated GPU and while I love my old thinkpad, a third generation i7 isn't powerful enough to do 4k h265 decoding and physically lacks any hardware acceleration for vp8, vp9 and both 8 and 10 bit h265. 1080p content is fine but with 4k it will start to struggle. This author doesn't seem to be using the laptop for multimedia consumption, but I would like to bring this limitation up for anyo…

Well, it is not much equipped to output the 4K either; the internal display is 1600x900, you can upgrade it to full hd and the external output can do 4k@30 at most, even the thunderbolt-equipped model.

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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After upgrading the display, CPU, disk, RAM, fan, battery it's a bit click-baity to say you've gone back to a 2012 ThinkPad - but interesting read non the less. What surprised me the most is that Lenovo ships something as annoying as a loud fan (easily replaceable even for a home tinkerer). Of course they save a few pennies per laptop; but no laptop can ever be good if it's noisy. That was one of the main reasons why…

Thinkpad sold that model with 16gbs as an upgrade while buying the laptop at the time. SSDs needing to be upgraded has also been recommended since that time. And the processor update was simply maxing out the processor upgrade from that generation. It was available on the workstation version of the thinkpad in the same generation. The i7-3820QM release date is 04/23/2012. A new SSD doesn't mean current gen speeds, the internal and the caddy are still limited to sata 3 speeds. It's a very 2012 machine, a very nice 2012 machine.

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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I had a visitor over the holidays who needed to work but didn't have a laptop. I had 2x old T420 (released in 2011) so I combined the RAM and did a fresh OS install. My only hassle was finding a DP cable. Other than doubling the RAM, this was still a stock machine from 2011. CPU benchmark scores for this T420 are comparable/better than sub-£400 new x86 laptops available at big box stores which was the other short-ter…

To be fair the sub-400 laptops are nearly the same in 2021 that you could find in 2011. Dual core with 1366x768 is still pretty common.

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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Let's circle back in a few months; I too feel nostalgic when I visit my dad's and play some classic games on the old faithful PC from my youth (still rocking a 17'' Trinitron CRT). But after a few hours reality hits since I use my PCs nowadays to actually... get stuff done. I can't imagine that PC would be very useful for any productivity work, at most (frustratingly slow) browsing.

Nah, the upgraded 4-core T430 is plenty fast and very productive. You'd be surprised.

I used a dual-core upgraded T430 for quite a while. The problem was actually the battery life. 2-3 hours just doesn't compare to a M1 Macbook's 13 hours.

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