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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by chrismcb » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 2:52 AM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #440

chernevik wrote: post #425

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The anti-vax movement isn't just right-wing. Blacks are the most under-vaccinated demographic. And it is important to distinguish those who are against mandates from those who are against the vaccine.

I think this is misleading. It's very notable that the states where the racial gap is highest are a) not doing very well on mass vaccination b) Republican https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo... So I think it's fair to ask if these people have been denied the vaccine more than they've rejected it. Meanwhile, the stats fairly clearly show political affiliation to be a bigger factor: > According…

Are you saying new York is a republican state? Or low vaccinated with 85% having at least one vaccine? Yet only about 15% of the blacks are vaccinated. I've never heard a black person day they have been denied, but I've heard plenty say they don't trust the government and why get it.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by forgotmypw17 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 3:04 AM UTC

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #374

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #246

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Are we talking about the elderly who were locked up and isolated from any contact with people they depend on for basic survival needs?

Where were they locking up the elderly? In fully staffed assisted living facilities?

I think the worst of the isolation was for older people who were living alone, not in any facilities, but regularly received help from younger friends and family.

But if you think that most "living facilities", even when "fully staffed" are a good place to leave an older person without regular visits, I am going to disagree with you.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by giantg2 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 4:23 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #611

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Well, these kids have basically been grounded for 2 years with no end in sight (lack of hope), and probably feel that it's BS or they're being gaslit given that the risks for their age group are low. Especially since their age group is prone to risk taking and have higher risk activities like learning to drive.

Imagine growing up in a war zone or Palestine or something like that.

Seems like the suicide rate in Palestine, especially in young adults, supports my position.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by lifeformed » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 4:40 AM UTC

pdimitar wrote: post #422

lifeformed wrote: post #417

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In communicating you must consider how your words will be interpreted. If you think you're being widely misinterpreted, then you should consider that perhaps your communication was unclear and is the source of misinterpretation, rather than blaming others for not figuring out what you really meant.

I choose to do both at the same time. Apparently I came off too extremist to some which is an interesting potential lesson for me. At the same time, I'm seeing people project and do uncharitable interpretations. Curious.

It's a very sensitive topic so extra nuance is helpful.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ya_throw » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 6:50 AM UTC

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #645

ya_throw wrote: post #386

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By your same description, prison is a "fully staffed assisted living facility".

No, it isn't.

Your implication is that the "full staffing" makes up for the fact that inmates can't leave nor have anyone visit. In which case, there is little difference between a care facility under lockdown, and a prison.

A friend's grandmother died alone, without having seen friends or family for months, shut in her room in a care facility during 2020.

I suppose you are one of the people who would also tell us that house arrest is "not hard".

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Post by kzrdude » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 8:51 AM UTC

sodality2 wrote: post #400

adnmcq999 wrote: post #91

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So will adults. We’re here on hn

That's very true! It's not just kids. However (and maybe this is disingenuous) I believe that HN is both more enriching (I learn new things every single time whereas tiktok is mostly mind-numbing videos that no one will remember in six months) and less addictive (relative to something like tiktok). It's still social media, but it really is nothing like tiktok. Ask your kids for their screentime, or ask which of their…

"more enriching" is how we fool ourselves to continue diverting our attention - speaking for myself - it's just math on youtube, it's just stackoverflow/programming, etc. Unfortunately the cycle of infinite information needs to be throttled I think.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by native_samples » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 9:57 AM UTC

edmundsauto wrote: post #604

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Ha - I wish they were respectful. In my home state, the respect was very much lacking. Whatever they could get away with was the strategy. To say they were respectful - absolutely they were not. Edit: They were literally advising people to snitch on each other, even neighbor on neighbor, and make sure to keep that Christmas gathering at 10 people! Last I knew that was a communist tactic. Respected us? Edit 2: The abo…

Communist tactic is a bit ... weird .. of an association. Getting neighbors to snitch on each other is a technique every country's law enforcement uses. Or is the "See something, say something" announcement in the airport also communist? Is Texas' bounty on snitching on women who have medical procedures also communist? Your comment would have been stronger if you didn't wave out the 1950s red scare tactics. Overall,…

Only if you define "neighbour" to mean literally anyone, which isn't what it means.

gjsman is using the word neighbour correctly to mean someone who physically lives next to you, which is dystopian because it effectively extends the power of law enforcement inside the walls of everyone's homes to criminalize normal pro-social behaviour, and does so by manipulating and exploiting the bonds that form robust communities. It's very different to seeing someone break into a shop on the street and reporting it.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by native_samples » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 10:03 AM UTC

afavour wrote: post #506

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I had family members telling me that the news was spreading fear and panic back then, and that we should not lock down even for two weeks because, in their own words, “they won’t let us out.” I was skeptical and accepted the lockdown for two weeks. We only just started getting out more than three months later. Either my family was really unusually right… or there was a percentage of people saying it was a bad idea th…

That’s still applying hindsight logic, though. At the start of the pandemic we didn’t know enough about the virus to know what was and was not necessary. Your family applied their skepticism of government to speculate that the lockdown would be a long one. That speculation would turn out to be correct but unless you’re in a family of epidemiologists they weren’t correct because they understood the virus better than a…

"At the start of the pandemic we didn’t know enough about the virus to know what was and was not necessary."

We did actually. Many things were known and anti-lockdown activists were pointing these things out from the start. In hindsight they were all right and the "experts" were wrong.

Things these people were pointing out right back in March/April 2020:

1. SARS-CoV-2 is a respiratory coronavirus. We have lots of experience with those: they're normally mild, seasonal and spread quickly. All these things have turned out to be true (yes COVID is a mild disease compared with most others).

2. The Diamond Princess cruise ship had an outbreak at the start of February 2020. This immediately made it clear that (a) IFR was low even amongst very elderly people and (b) many people didn't catch it at all, even when quarantined on a plague ship.

3. Modelling was ignoring all the above by assuming a way higher IFR than the Diamond Princess data supported, that the virus was entirely non-seasonal, and that the entire population would get infected in a single massive wave. None of these assumptions were supported by evidence and virtually no epidemiologists cared when this was pointed out. In fact the opposite, they went on the attack.

4. The WHO actually had a plan for pandemic respiratory viruses. It said very clearly not to do lockdowns, close borders or do contact tracing. This plan was ignored.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ErikVandeWater » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 11:25 AM UTC

ya_throw wrote: post #665

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #645

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No, it isn't.

Your implication is that the "full staffing" makes up for the fact that inmates can't leave nor have anyone visit. In which case, there is little difference between a care facility under lockdown, and a prison. A friend's grandmother died alone, without having seen friends or family for months, shut in her room in a care facility during 2020. I suppose you are one of the people who would also tell us that house arres…

Reconsidering, it is fair to say prison is a fully staffed assisted living facility (excepting when prison is assisting with the dying).

My implication though was that elderly were not "isolated from any contact with people they depend on for basic survival needs" in cases where they were put in assisted living facilities, because they provide for basic survival needs.

> I suppose you are one of the people who would also tell us that house arrest is "not hard".

Never implied that.

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Post by sodality2 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 11:39 AM UTC

kzrdude wrote: post #666

sodality2 wrote: post #400

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That's very true! It's not just kids. However (and maybe this is disingenuous) I believe that HN is both more enriching (I learn new things every single time whereas tiktok is mostly mind-numbing videos that no one will remember in six months) and less addictive (relative to something like tiktok). It's still social media, but it really is nothing like tiktok. Ask your kids for their screentime, or ask which of their…

"more enriching" is how we fool ourselves to continue diverting our attention - speaking for myself - it's just math on youtube, it's just stackoverflow/programming, etc. Unfortunately the cycle of infinite information needs to be throttled I think.

Again, maybe this is just me being disingenuous, but I'd disagree - while your examples may be used as a time sink, I believe there is definitely a difference between scrolling on tiktok, and watching math on youtube. You're probably far more likely to use and improve your brain and its critical thinking skills.