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Re: Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior

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Post by mistermann »

Enginerrrd wrote: post #70
andrei_says_ wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to recommend a lecture by George Lakoff - The Neuroscience of Language and Thought https://youtu.be/JJP-rkilz40 Within the first 10 minutes he speaks of the fact that rational thought as we see it simply does not exist. All our choices are based on the ability to distinguish a preference and that ability is based on emotion. It would only make sense that medication impairing our emotions would also impai…

Not only that, but if meditation has taught me anything, it's that your "conscious rational thought" isn't really conscious. ...like, basically at all. The decisions are getting made unconsciously and then kicked up to your conscious attention, already made.

For additional insight, try floating this idea when the topic of discussion is something other than psychology. Better, test it on a variety of demographics (education level, etc) and see if you detect substantial differences in reaction.

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Post by wyre »

twofornone wrote: post #107
thelittleone wrote: post #99

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> My theory is this was because of some adverse childhood events I experienced, that seemed to change something in me. Have you considered some sort of regression therapy such as hypnotherapy or if more adventurous, plant medicine? I sat next to a pretty senior FBI guy on a domestic US flight once. He was a hypnotherapist who claimed that in almost all cases they were able to use hypnosis to get information about wha…

>He was a hypnotherapist who claimed that in almost all cases they were able to use hypnosis to get information about what happened even if the conscious person was completely unable to recall any details. There's no guarantee that the information they received was true. I imagine hypnosis is in the same category as lie detectors with respect to its...interpretability.

Even if hypnotherapy only brings out incorrect tales if there is improvement in the patients wellness I would view that as a valid treatment, but obviously there are a lot of metrics that are impractical to measure to make valid scientific statements about it. I'm not a hypnotherapist, not do I visit one.

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Post by astrange »

thelittleone wrote: post #99
tsol wrote: post #95

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My experience was the opposite. In fact, after taking medication to fix it I later stopped because of this naturalistic fallacy. I knew it was bunting some of my emotions and I figured whatever the drugs are doing I can do with lifestyle changes. 10 years later, a daily habit of exercise and cold showers, a variety of daily natural supplements like turmeric and magnesium, and a career later.. I was no different. I'd…

> My theory is this was because of some adverse childhood events I experienced, that seemed to change something in me. Have you considered some sort of regression therapy such as hypnotherapy or if more adventurous, plant medicine? I sat next to a pretty senior FBI guy on a domestic US flight once. He was a hypnotherapist who claimed that in almost all cases they were able to use hypnosis to get information about wha…

He was a hypnotherapist and in the FBI at the same time? I didn't think they allowed moonlighting.

You certainly can get memories back this way; the problem is that they'll be fabricated, especially from childhood.

I agree both these kinds of therapy are effective though.

Re: Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior

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Post by astrange »

PeterWhittaker wrote: post #57
colechristensen wrote: post #10

Huh, given that something like 15% of Americans are on SSRIs, I wonder how this affects the political landscape (which seems overrun with a new kind of moralizing in the last few decades)

Reductions in empathy, increases in “hey what’s the harm”... kind of like society over the last few years?

When did society have a lot of empathy? We're nowhere near as crazy right now as 1970, 1930… not even 1990, you should see the violent crime stats then.

Re: Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior

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Post by astrange »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #100
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #15

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And yeast (via gut bacteria). I’m pretty sure we have been cultivated to breed more of them, not our decision just because they’re delicious.

Bacteria that's crossed the blood brain barrier can affect behaviour. In European woman, the most common bacteria in a woman's vagina's is Lactobacillus largely due to the milk product consumption in their die. However whilst Western medicine considers Lactobacillus to be a probiotic, other cultures who do not consume milk products in as large a quantity have different bacterial profiles in their vagina's. Japanese p…

> Japanese people claim to be able to smell gone off milk oozing from the pores of westerners.

Humans are very good at detecting rancid milk from the smell; I believe nobody's developed a machine better than us yet.

Re: Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior

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Post by ipaddr »

astrange wrote: post #153
thelittleone wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My theory is this was because of some adverse childhood events I experienced, that seemed to change something in me. Have you considered some sort of regression therapy such as hypnotherapy or if more adventurous, plant medicine? I sat next to a pretty senior FBI guy on a domestic US flight once. He was a hypnotherapist who claimed that in almost all cases they were able to use hypnosis to get information about wha…

He was a hypnotherapist and in the FBI at the same time? I didn't think they allowed moonlighting. You certainly can get memories back this way; the problem is that they'll be fabricated, especially from childhood. I agree both these kinds of therapy are effective though.

Forensic Hypnosis is a career path.

FBI still works with hypnotherapists.

Re: Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior

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Post by bp0017 »

davidandgoliath wrote: post #149

Insert yet another HN thread of people who happily support the covid vaccine because doctors say to get it, but yet in this thread those same people recommend a bunch of alternatives to what someone's doctor suggested/recommended. Medication has absolutely saved my life, and made my life and those around me significantly better. I'm triple vaxxed. Doctors recommended both. YMMV.

not at all trying to contradict you, but I think the discrepancy may be due to people's trust in virology vs psychiatry. Psychiatry has a bad reputation (we were giving people lobotomies not that long ago) and even today, the literature often fails to be as scientifically rigorous as other fields, in my opinion.

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Post by JohnBooty »

davidandgoliath wrote: post #149

Insert yet another HN thread of people who happily support the covid vaccine because doctors say to get it, but yet in this thread those same people recommend a bunch of alternatives to what someone's doctor suggested/recommended. Medication has absolutely saved my life, and made my life and those around me significantly better. I'm triple vaxxed. Doctors recommended both. YMMV.

I get what you're saying, but that's a sloppy equivalency.

The evidence in favor of the mRNA-based COVID vaccines is overwhelmingly positive in terms of efficacy and lack of side effects. (Yes, they exist, but they are extremely rare) And neglecting to vaccinate one's self has serious risks for those around you, particularly at-risk folks. There aren't real alternatives, besides physically separating one's self from all human contact.

Psychiatric medicines are way, way, way more of a mixed bag. The side effects can be massive. The process of finding the correct one is very trial-and-error. For many people there are alternatives.

Please don't misunderstand: I know many who have massively benefitted from these meds. They can be positively transforming and lifesaving. I'm just questioning the value of comparing these two things.

Re: Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior

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Post by JohnBooty »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #100
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yeast (via gut bacteria). I’m pretty sure we have been cultivated to breed more of them, not our decision just because they’re delicious.

Bacteria that's crossed the blood brain barrier can affect behaviour. In European woman, the most common bacteria in a woman's vagina's is Lactobacillus largely due to the milk product consumption in their die. However whilst Western medicine considers Lactobacillus to be a probiotic, other cultures who do not consume milk products in as large a quantity have different bacterial profiles in their vagina's. Japanese p…

    Japanese people claim to be able to smell gone off milk 
    oozing from the pores of westerners.
Not just Japanese who claim this; I've heard this from non-Japanese Asians as well.

I think I remember hearing that there were some specific derogatory terms for Westerners based on this smell, but I could be wrong.

Re: Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior

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Post by e40 »

nosianu wrote: post #55

This reminded me of this BBC article about the brain effects of ordinary drugs: "The medications that change who we are" https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200108-the-medications-... > They’ve been linked to road rage, pathological gambling, and complicated acts of fraud. Some make us less neurotic, and others may even shape our social relationships. It turns out many ordinary medications don’t just affect our bodi…

Mirapex, given for Parkinson’s, it’s truly scary. There are entire forums dedicated to the broken families due to the gambling auctions caused by it. My brother has been on it for two decades, so my family has gotten to watch the effects first hand.
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