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Post by Daishiman »

blindmute wrote: post #729
Daishiman wrote: post #725

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The natural immunity is preventing people from getting good medical attention for other emergencies. It's preventing vulnerable people from not dying.

Sounds like we should get through that situation quickly rather than slowly. Everyone is getting this disease.

We're not "getting through the situation". The more spread the higher the likelyhood of new variants appearing, the more people that die of completely unrelated causes due to there being no available hospital care, and the greater the economic chaos.

It is a dramatically higher cost that gets paid in loss of life for those who choose not to be vaccinated and those who can't, and in staff shortages and basic infrastructure weakness for everybody else.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by op00to »

kbelder wrote: post #246
op00to wrote: post #51

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Legitimate reason number 1: based on your low effort reply, you’re unable to understand how not to pass on a highly communicable disease that causes misery, disruption, and death. Don’t post that anymore.

How rude you are.

Far ruder to not get a vaccine that saves lives.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by enjoy-your-stay »

jpster wrote: post #728
astrange wrote: post #635

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That will not necessarily continue to happen, at least not soon. Once you've been exposed to omicron (+ vaxed or exposed to original/delta) a new variant has to be very different from both omicron and delta. And this isn't the flu; it only has so far it can mutate. However, it's impossible to get rid of it because it infects animals and we're not going to vaccinate them.

I don’t understand your statements. Omicron had many changes vs delta — why would successive variants not have the same? > Only has so far it can mutate Says who?

Agreed, I can't see anything stopping it mutating further if the opportunity arises.

I believe the understanding is that the omicron variant may have evolved further in an immuno-compromised person (e.g. with AIDS, or undergoing chemotherapy), since it got to stay in the host longer without being killed by the immune system, it racked up more mutations until it got to its current virulent form and started infecting other people.

And there's absolutely nothing stopping that from happening again I guess.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by blindmute »

Daishiman wrote: post #731
blindmute wrote: post #729

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like we should get through that situation quickly rather than slowly. Everyone is getting this disease.

We're not "getting through the situation". The more spread the higher the likelyhood of new variants appearing, the more people that die of completely unrelated causes due to there being no available hospital care, and the greater the economic chaos. It is a dramatically higher cost that gets paid in loss of life for those who choose not to be vaccinated and those who can't, and in staff shortages and basic infrastru…

>We're not "getting through the situation".

We are, just not in the way you'd prefer. Plagues much worse than this one happen regularly, and humanity gets through it.

> It is a dramatically higher cost

A dramatically higher cost than what we're currently doing to our youth? That's an opinion. So some teachers die, and the profession becomes temporarily younger and more male than before due to self-selected risk profiles. Sounds like how any "dangerous" job already works. This doesn't constitute a crisis worth sequestering our children, to me.

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Post by starkd »

acdha wrote: post #706
Jyaif wrote: post #704

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> The faculty is so sick that they don't have enough people to run the school. Bullshit. Assuming that 20% of the teachers are sick (=coughing or not feeling well), which is a ridiculous overestimation, schools can still work perfectly well. That just means that 20% of the lessons will not happen. And if the schools' administration is not completely useless (I admit that may be a long shot), some of these lessons cou…

“Just” doesn’t mean what you seem to think it does. Schools have very little margin for soaking up absence at that scale. If one out of five teachers are out, the kids will not be doing the learning which is the stated justification for not keeping them safe at home. Teaching is hard work, not hitting play on a video, and it requires time to prepare in addition to classroom time – teachers don’t call in sick for fun,…

But, at this point, they are pretty much babysitting them, at least according to the account from the reddit poster. Everyone's talking more about the testing than anything else with little added benefit.

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Post by another_story »

rayiner wrote: post #672
another_story wrote: post #344

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Where are you going to get a few million surrogates? A lot of solutions shared here fail to realize that the majority of US public school teachers are routinely spending their own money on basic classroom supplies.

Just. Stop. You’re hurting kids by spreading the myth that school funding is the problem, because it allows the real problems to continue festering. US public schools are among some of the best funded in the world: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/15434/the-countries-spend... Plus, schools have tons of unused covid relief money: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/05/politics/school-federal-covid...

Sure schools are well funded in comparison to others. Doesn't mean most teachers aren't routinely spending their own money on supplies. The “Just. Stop.” attitude from anyone who hasn't spent time in the US public school system, and just looks at the numbers doesn't address this. The US is rapidly losing experienced teachers, something which has only accelerated in the last two years.

https://www.epi.org/publication/u-s-schools-struggle-to-hire...

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Post by another_story »

Lofty1971 wrote: post #697
another_story wrote: post #344

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Where are you going to get a few million surrogates? A lot of solutions shared here fail to realize that the majority of US public school teachers are routinely spending their own money on basic classroom supplies.

I assume this could be done with one surrogate per teacher rather than per student and would be almost as effective.

That was my assumption, one per teacher.

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Post by mbg721 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #724
ALittleLight wrote: post #615

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Why would we require either a nursing or a doctor degree? I do not understand why we didn't just train a crop of "covid specialists" who could handle caring for covid positive people and recognizing when they needed help from the real medical staff. Doing something like this I feel we could have easily and quickly increased medical capacity as much as needed for covid.

> I do not understand why we didn't just train a crop of "covid specialists"... Who'd be doing a wide variety of nurse/doctor tasks? Vented ICU patients are complicated . They need more than a babysitter.

Most COVID patients even in hospitals aren't vented ICU ones, are they? While I get that you can't just throw money and catch doctors, is a fully credentialed doctor or nurse really necessary for every single task that could save a life in this kind of emergency situation?

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Post by robbedpeter »

UnknownUser1234 wrote: post #727
rayiner wrote: post #672

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Just. Stop. You’re hurting kids by spreading the myth that school funding is the problem, because it allows the real problems to continue festering. US public schools are among some of the best funded in the world: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/15434/the-countries-spend... Plus, schools have tons of unused covid relief money: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/05/politics/school-federal-covid...

My wife is a teacher. We spend our own money every year.

Maybe you should stop. Let the system fail enough such that the pain that you're preventing will start to affect the people who can actually fix things. If you can't fix it, let the wheel squeak. You're not the parent or savior of those children, so don't allow your high levels of empathy and life choices to be exploited by bureacrats. They know exactly which buttons to push and how to manipulate the type of people teachers are.

Stop playing the game where you spend money to cover up incompetence or corruption. Don't be a reliable patsy. Some problems only get better if you force the ones responsible to fix it.

Use a classroom to audit their own supplies and needs, and see where money intended for education actually goes. The information should ask be public.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by josephcsible »

robbedpeter wrote: post #739
UnknownUser1234 wrote: post #727

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My wife is a teacher. We spend our own money every year.

Maybe you should stop. Let the system fail enough such that the pain that you're preventing will start to affect the people who can actually fix things. If you can't fix it, let the wheel squeak. You're not the parent or savior of those children, so don't allow your high levels of empathy and life choices to be exploited by bureacrats. They know exactly which buttons to push and how to manipulate the type of people t…

The problem is that people who can actually fix things generally send their kids to private schools.
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