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Great blog post from NASA themselves explaining it: https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/01/06/why-doesnt-webb-have-... the post is really not very long and I would suggest getting it straight from the horse's mouth, but for those not willing to devote a click here are arguably the most relevant bits! "deployment surveillance cameras would not add significant information of value for engineering teams commanding the spac…
Wow this sound so patronising. I am sure there will be a moment when they say oh wish we had installed those cameras...
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#492This feels perhaps like a silly comment, but I have this intuition that the data collected by JWST could prove to be some of the most important ever collected.
People (including me!) really don't have a feel for just how far some of these instruments push things. The Hubble Deep Field was a surprise to quite a few established astronomers. LIGO is measuring things way smaller than nucleons. The JWST can see so far back in time hat you can measure deltas from the beginning of the visible universe. I know that I just don't have an appreciation for just how hard these things ar…
[0] https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/telescopes/a19346/jam...
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#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great blog post from NASA themselves explaining it: https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/01/06/why-doesnt-webb-have-... the post is really not very long and I would suggest getting it straight from the horse's mouth, but for those not willing to devote a click here are arguably the most relevant bits! "deployment surveillance cameras would not add significant information of value for engineering teams commanding the spac…
Once again scientists miss the entire point. It is about marketing and making people interested. It makes it easier when you go back five years later and ask for more money if people can see the multi-million dollar toy they paid for.
Likewise, for Voyager/Cassini/Huygens/etc? Don't remember any selfies from those. We merely had to settle for the spectacular, never-before-seen images of other worlds. Guess they were failures. :-(
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This will only work for a handful of very nearby exoplanets, unfortunately.
hell I’d be excited for 1!
...but who knows.
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It’s interesting that you are expressing an opinion about something that you could calculate in the same amount of time it took to write down that opinion.
To be fair, for someone who is not well-versed in either optics or space physics, calculating the answer is not that straight-forward.
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They have given it a 10 year lifespan. They have said that fuel is a major limiting factor and talked about a refuelling drone to extend life. But I don't think that means it only has 10 years of fuel, and I don't think they have ever said explicitly said that. I suspect it's more like 15 years in the best case. The fact that they aren't already planning a refuelling mission implies that it's not a critical limiting…
Would I be wrong to assume that technological advances in the next 15 years would justify sending a second satellite? As in, instead of a refueling mission we'd be more likely to send a version 2 of the satellite with even better sensors/apparatus/whatnot?
There are a set of telescope plans which are presently in consideration, including WIRST, the wide-angle infrared telescope; HabEx, the Habitable Exoplanet Imaging Mission; Lynx, a next-generation X-ray telescope; and the Origins Space Telescope, an infra-red telescope even larger than Webb.
https://www.universetoday.com/139461/what-comes-after-james-...
For telescopes, among factors I'm aware of are:
- The total number of devices. More 'scopes means more points of the sky which can be imaged at any one time. This permits detecting either rare or transient events.
- Wavelength specificity. Infra-red, radio, visible light, UV, and X-Ray sensitivity all permit detection of different phenomena. Devices suited to one wavelength may not be suitable for others. Specific research goals may favour specific observational methods.
- Other sensing modes. Gravity, gamma ray, and particle sensors (e.g., neutrino sensors, cosmic-ray detectors) may afford other options. There are proposals for space-based gravity-wave detectors, for example.
- Compound devices. The HabEx system in particular has two components, the telescope itself, and a sunshield used to block the light of an observed star, which would operate at a separation of 100s of thousands of km.
- Collector size. Larger mirrors permit gathering of more light. This permits shorter collection periods for brighter events, and imaging of previously undetectable phenomena. The Hubble Deep Field views are an example of the latter, and pushed the boundaries of known and and observable phenomena tremendously.
- Storage, processing, and communications capabilities. I don't know how much this contributes to observation capabilities, though I suspect it has an impact.
- Developments in phsyics, materials, and sensing, generally. Looking through lists of physics and chemistry Nobel awards since the 1970s, a surprisingly large number have concerned capabilities rather than fundamental characteristics or properties of matter or the universe. Many of these afford new capabilities in sensing and detection.
- Probes. Rather than a single instrument which views distant objects, probes get close to a specific object, or set of objects, and make close or direct observations of these. Various landers, impactors, flyby, orbiter, and similar missions, to date all to objects within the Solar System, would be examples of these. These compete with other missions (manned, long-distance sensing).
- Earth observation. Probably the largest class and most productive set of space-based observation platforms has been looking at our own planet.
It's also worth thinking through what has made JWST possible, including launch platforms, experience with complex deployments, manufacturing, sensing, and control capabilities. These will have impacts on future missions, and further development might also extend their capabilities.
Finally: most technological improvement tends to follow a sigmoidal curve: an early period of slow development, a period of rapid attainment, then a slower period of approaching theoretical maximum efficacy. New developments or combinations of technologies may restart that curve, but often 15 years doesn't deliver transformational development. Rather older technologies are refined, reliability improved, costs reduced, or flexibility increased.
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#497Since 90% of the cost is probably in R+D of the telescope, one could build and deploy another for another 10%. Why isn't this done? Why is every space telescope completely unique?
https://flyingbarron.medium.com/the-james-webb-space-telesco...
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I have a few questions about extending a tethered "selfie bot" If you have a tethered camera which uses the tether as its power source which is out in front of the scope, wouldn't it be able to "stare" back at the Business Side of the mullet and stream the Party back to earth? Or does a teathered bot risk messing with the orbit of the scope? How much actual pull strength is requireed per kilo to re-orient something i…
even if its looking at the business side of the telescpe the sun sheild means there is no light there for it to be able to see anything. its a case of your can't see it because there is no light, not because you dont have an angle of it (although that is also a chalange to overcome.
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I have a few questions about extending a tethered "selfie bot" If you have a tethered camera which uses the tether as its power source which is out in front of the scope, wouldn't it be able to "stare" back at the Business Side of the mullet and stream the Party back to earth? Or does a teathered bot risk messing with the orbit of the scope? How much actual pull strength is requireed per kilo to re-orient something i…
But what would the point be? All the interesting bits are in effectively total darkness.
But why should imagine anything?
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1. Its resolution might be high enough to image [big] surface features on exoplanets, and alien megastructures if they exist[0]. 2. JWST has extraordinary spectral analysis capabilities and it should be able to characterise gases in extrasolar planetary atmospheres [1]. [0] https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/telescopes/a19346/jam... [1] https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/content/science/origins.html
Heh. Can you imagine the world-wide debate over whether or not we should reach out to the alien intelligence? Apparently, SETI's policy is to NOT respond. Which makes sense to me.