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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by drekk » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:56 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #470

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #466

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But do they hate them because they didnt provide government support as part of their response, or do they hate them because they think just doing nothing wouldn't have also destroyed their business when everyone got sick at the same time?

They hate them for inflating the currency, giving everyone stimulus and so many benefits it’s hard to hire, for forcing their businesses to shut down for months and have 50% of small restaurants go insolvent for “two weeks to slow the spread,” for forcing people to work from home suddenly and the productivity damages and delays initially caused… There’s plenty to hate and more.

This is a pretty mask-off (excuse the pun) moment in your argument. So to protect small businesses we shouldn't have paid people at all or closed down at any point and we'd have more than a million dead Americans but at least workers would still be as expendable?

You don't get to call us "essential workers" and treat us like shit. This is the first time in my living memory McDonald's and co raised their starting wages. Line cooks were the most impacted and it was the most dangerous job last year. You want that to be worse, for small businesses to survive?

I can reincorporate "Drekk Design Studio", the line cook can't re-enter his mortal coil. We should have paid everyone every month of the pandemic and enforced these public health measures like Germany (1 in 10 infected vs the US 1 in 3).

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Levitz » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:57 PM UTC

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #453

chernevik wrote: post #425

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The anti-vax movement isn't just right-wing. Blacks are the most under-vaccinated demographic. And it is important to distinguish those who are against mandates from those who are against the vaccine.

I don't think I'd describe the black people who don't get vaccinated as "anti-vax". Black people have a well earned historical distrust of the medical community that's pretty much completely unrelated to the zeitgeist of the "anti-vax" movement.

Going down that line of thinking, I think every citizen out there can have legitimate distrust of their government.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:58 PM UTC

drekk wrote: post #544

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #448

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If everyone got it, destroying businesses and families for over a year in some states to postpone the inevitable was stupid.

It wasn't inevitable, Americans chose per usual to do something half-ass, which generally is worse than doing nothing at all or full-assing it

In my state, it was as full-assed as it could be without societal collapse, and didn’t work.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by wruza » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

zx76 wrote: post #329

wruza wrote: post #286

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I thought something was really wrong Yeah, the fear of death as they call it. I really didn't understand this phrase before, thinking it was something abstract. It's unlike any other feeling I've had, just off the charts. And I'm (was) not particularly the guy who is scared to watch a horror movie alone in the night.

I've experienced exactly the same as you both except all the way back in 2015 and so I'm going to offer some unsolicited advice in case it's helpful. I had never heard of panic attacks before I got one, had never worried once about my mental health etc. and so I also ended up at the emergency room convinced my death was imminent. Considering my healthy history my doctor and I agreed to try deal with it on a lifestyle…

In my case I tried to convince my therapist to prescribe medications, but he resisted. I mean he more like advised me to try CBT way and only fallback to pills in case of failure, because they only serve as a crutch if your thinking process went wrong. It just happens that some people need this crutch temporarily and will be fine later by themselves. After 4-6 sessions I picked my PAs apart without any medications, but stayed to fix my other issues for a year. So ymmv, I guess.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by bushbaba » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #500

asteroidbelt wrote: post #285

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> A once is a lifetime catastrophic event This is one point of view. A different point of view is this is comparable to bad flu year, and all hysteria is caused by msm. > It has affected our lives in so many ways It has. But not the pandemic, but government and media overreaction to it.

Lol in the span of covid, there would maybe be 200k deaths from the flu over two years. We’re almost at a million (that we know of). Everyone who says this is anything akin to the flu either knows their lying or is woefully ignorant of the situation.

The flu has had decades to kill those susceptible

The best way to compare if covid is more deadly than the flu is by analyzing the impact on young children where they haven’t been exposed to either before.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by drekk » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

batch12 wrote: post #484

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #472

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Interesting that COVID vaccine provision is less racist than the average healthcare provision: > NAM found that “racial and ethnic minorities receive lower-quality health care than white people—even when insurance status, income, age, and severity of conditions are comparable.” By “lower-quality health care,” NAM meant the concrete, inferior care that physicians give their black patients. NAM reported that minority p…

Are you saying that CVS has been turning away brown people who want covid shots or are you just parroting rhetoric without really knowing or looking into the true root cause of this issue? Yes. My firsthand anecdotal conversations with black friends and family confirms that they are indeed smart enough and able enough to get the widely available covid shots. For free if that is an issue. Where is this black-person-fi…

Well it's wonderful all these black Americans you think so highly of live in states with good public transit so they can get to the pharmacy without a car, and have labor rights and money in the bank to take an unpaid day or two or three off of work to recover.

It's even better they all have a smart device or personal computer and internet connection to make the appointment or even know it's available for free. What really makes us a first world country is the knowledge that all our citizens, including ethnic minorities, speak our unofficially official English language with fluency to navigate our fragmented-but-free medical system.

And lastly it's better still that they live in a country with a rich and storied history of medical experimentation on black people that drives down trust in the first free medical intervention in modern memory.

In seriousness, close friends of mine are an hour from the nearest pharmacy. Millions of Americans live in remote areas, and we have zero infrastructure in these areas. Food deserts aren't just lacking food.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by coryrc » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

bmeski wrote: post #184

coryrc wrote: post #125

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The entire concept of our "education" system is bankrupt. The very idea of keeping an entire age of children in lockstep across multiple subjects regardless of ability stifles actually solving any issues. Why would you expect the very people who perpetuate this injustice to even conceive of a solution let alone implement it?

Why is this being downvoted? Are our kids not beautiful snowflakes on the spectrum of intelligence or is it just gender?

The staff of a Bible belt school are just as guilty of this as the SF admins removing advanced maths. None understand that computers allow us to promote people upon mastery of a subject (what we actually want) rather than time.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Levitz » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

hackflip wrote: post #460

Krasnol wrote: post #420

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Everybody I know who got Covid, got it from their kids which go to school. Yes mortality is low and kids are quite safe from hard impacts but they don't live in a bubble. They meet people. Also: even if you don't die of it, it could have severe impacts on your life. Long Covid is a thing. It's not that simple...

Should children have to sacrifice their development to protect adults? I always thought adults should be the ones making sacrifices for children, not the other way around.

Definitely not the norm with the boomer generation. It's not people under 50 that are really victims of covid.

Harsh point to make but at this point I hold what I consider to be a very justifiable grudge.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ya_throw » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

dekerta wrote: post #549

chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

> The disease has a 0.3 risk of fatality, still less for Omicron I'm not sure what you mean by "0.3 risk". 0.3% case fatality rate? But where are you getting that number from? COVID19 had roughly a 2% CFR early on when testing was limited and treatments hadn't been developed. It was around 1% for most of the pandemic. It is *now* as low as 0.3% in highly vaccinated countries, but still about 0.5% in the US. It has be…

>It has been one of the deadliest pandemics in history.

By percentage of global population, I beg to differ:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics

It also overwhelmingly killed the very elderly, an age category which didn't even exist at the times of most of those other pandemics in the list.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ryanchants » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 5:13 PM UTC

aiisjustanif wrote: post #533

watwut wrote: post #302

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I suspect one reason are online games. Boys are more likely to play them and in lockdown, they were the one of few socialization available. It does not matter what are reasons for disparity. But, the boys were more likely to continue some unchanged socialization ad they had before. They already had established groups to play with and so on.

Did you just pin one of the reason for suicides on online games? What is this politician talking points from the early 2000’s? I promise you kids have been forming groups and have had feelings of exclusion that existed well before online games. The root cause here wouldn’t be online games in of themselves.

No, they did the exact opposite. The proposed the idea that suicide did not increase in boys because they were more likely to have socialization circles around video games.