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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by _fat_santa »

aqme28 wrote: post #446
chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

It's interesting to read this as an expat in Europe, where it seems like the US hasn't really done any lockdown at all compared to most other countries. The issue I think is that there was very little government support for individuals affected economically.

I think it highlights, for better or for worse, the cultural difference between the US and the EU. Take for example the UK that went into lockdown after lockdown, the reason it hasn't been done in the US is that it would be politically untenable. If a politician in the US tried anything remotely like that, they would be burned alive by the opposition and the media.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by drekk »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #495
magicalist wrote: post #493

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> that we should not lock down even for two weeks because, in their own words, “they won’t let us out.” > And now that they were shown to be completely right Only if we define literally any mitigation (like indoor masks, and often not even that, depending on the state) as not letting us out.

No - like they literally wouldn’t let us out. They had to attend church for months watching only from their parked vehicles and with their windows shut. And somebody had their windows open once so the church got a threatening letter from the city from an informant neighbor across the street.

That's your anecdata, why should we treat it as representative? I was delivering food throughout the pandemic and not one person I handed the food to wore a mask (even when all deliveries were supposed to be no contact)

We didn't have any vaccines or effective treatments during the 3 month soft lockdown, you think it would be better to have congregations every Sunday to increase that spread? Or is God going to send us to hell for not attending mass during a plague?

It's so frustrating because the "lockdown" was doomed from the moment it wasn't enforced. Like you don't get a "threatening letter" if you posess a gram of cannabis. Our criminal justice system comes down hard except when it's people who don't care about public health. So yeah, we wasted like 3 months because most Americans prefer eating indoors at Applebee's to keeping disabled or elderly people around (and everyone else healthy). COVID has really shown me how much eugenics is still alive in the US that people can do a mental calculus about who is "expendable"

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by drekk »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #448
Krasnol wrote: post #420

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Everybody I know who got Covid, got it from their kids which go to school. Yes mortality is low and kids are quite safe from hard impacts but they don't live in a bubble. They meet people. Also: even if you don't die of it, it could have severe impacts on your life. Long Covid is a thing. It's not that simple...

If everyone got it, destroying businesses and families for over a year in some states to postpone the inevitable was stupid.

It wasn't inevitable, Americans chose per usual to do something half-ass, which generally is worse than doing nothing at all or full-assing it

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by R0b0t1 »

refurb wrote: post #488
R0b0t1 wrote: post #140

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To offer some explanation in defense of this, though I can't cite it right now: There's two major tests for the efficacy of depression-treating drugs that I am aware of. One is a "willpower" test, which in one incarnation is attempting to drown a mouse. A compound more likely to be efficacious in humans if it makes a mouse attempt to swim longer before ultimately succumbing to exhaustion. Taken by itself this test se…

What? For humans they use validated depression surveys conducted by medical professionals. You can look it up in any of the drug labels. A 4-week study of inpatients meeting DSM-III-R criteria for MDD with melancholia utilizing Effexor in a range of 150 to 375 mg per day (divided in a three-times-a-day schedule) demonstrated superiority of Effexor over placebo based on the HAM-D-21 total score. The mean dose in compl…

They do these tests after, but they are expensive. The pre-screening before they reach this point is as above plus others I am sure I don't know about.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by drekk »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #465
Krasnol wrote: post #456

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How do/did you know it's "inevitable"? I didn't have Covid yet. At least as far as I know. I work in health IT and have been vaccinating and protecting myself according to the book. It works.

Good for you, you are in a situation where you are not reliant on a small business and it’s easy to follow advisories. There’s far more to life and jobs than that. As for how it’s inevitable - maybe it wasn’t, but look around you. An awful lot of destruction we did for questionable benefits. And I know that with the next pandemic, far less people are going to listen. To them, the credibility of experts has been perma…

Maybe the government should have paid people so they could stay home? But that's communism and then no one will work and who will bring us our McDonald's order during the outbreak

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by aqme28 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #541
aqme28 wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to read this as an expat in Europe, where it seems like the US hasn't really done any lockdown at all compared to most other countries. The issue I think is that there was very little government support for individuals affected economically.

I think it highlights, for better or for worse, the cultural difference between the US and the EU. Take for example the UK that went into lockdown after lockdown, the reason it hasn't been done in the US is that it would be politically untenable. If a politician in the US tried anything remotely like that, they would be burned alive by the opposition and the media.

Exactly. So it's insane to me to see OP posting about how heavy-handed the lockdown was and how it ignored business interests.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by bobthechef »

javajosh wrote: post #384
anon9001 wrote: post #349

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Strange is an understatement. I can very much relate. But if I'm being honest, so much has improved for me during the pandemic that I don't know how to feel about it. I feel very guilty for saying this because people are dying and I've got more privilege than I can handle, but consider the following: I was already anxious and depressed and wanted to self-isolate. Now everyone is anxious and depressed and forced to se…

>I think English may lack a term for how this feels [comfy + unhealthy]. Perhaps we need a word. It would be a good one, since the best words combine complex, even opposite concepts. My first thought was "sickly-sweet". I also like the new phrase "doom scrolling", combining the dramatic and the banal, which also kind of applies. Somehow the phrase "doom snuggle" comes to mind (although this sounds more like a situati…

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by dekerta »

chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

> The disease has a 0.3 risk of fatality, still less for Omicron

I'm not sure what you mean by "0.3 risk". 0.3% case fatality rate? But where are you getting that number from? COVID19 had roughly a 2% CFR early on when testing was limited and treatments hadn't been developed. It was around 1% for most of the pandemic. It is *now* as low as 0.3% in highly vaccinated countries, but still about 0.5% in the US.

It has been one of the deadliest pandemics in history. A million Americans are dead. I'm not sure how people can think the risks were over exaggerated.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

drekk wrote: post #546
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good for you, you are in a situation where you are not reliant on a small business and it’s easy to follow advisories. There’s far more to life and jobs than that. As for how it’s inevitable - maybe it wasn’t, but look around you. An awful lot of destruction we did for questionable benefits. And I know that with the next pandemic, far less people are going to listen. To them, the credibility of experts has been perma…

Maybe the government should have paid people so they could stay home? But that's communism and then no one will work and who will bring us our McDonald's order during the outbreak

You seem to not comprehend how completely unworkable such a solution is for a country as broad as the US.

Also, we did try, it was called Payroll Protection and it was an epic fail.

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