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Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

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Re: Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

#31
Whenever I get in this kind of funk, I notice that the more energy I put into it... the more it grows. What always gets me out of it is to stop focusing on my feelings and start focusing on what others need from me.

This is made much easier when you have a supportive team at a company which truly has a learning culture (heuristic: look for founder-led companies which haven't taken outside investment and have sustained growth). The fact your manager left and you have a total absence of feedback sucks. It's very easy to doubt in that situation.

It's entirely possible for an individual contributor to communicate everything right, implement well, conduct everything professionally and STILL have everything blow up. Normally the advice here is "truly great IC's account for environments/problem selection" as well. While true, this also feels a little...cruel? Uh, dismissive? I don't know how to characterize it.

Assessing the state of a business and whether you can fit into it well is a skill which must be learned. You're not gonna be good at it at first. And it sounds like, for you, this may be the key skill to work on. Can you distinguish between what's truly your fault, and what's a product of the environment you're in? You say label it a dream job but... is it? You're certainly going to know more about a place once you're working there than before you've joined.

The hardest part of distinguishing is typically actually admitting to yourself that some aspects are out of your control. At least this was for me... at one point I built something truly great for a business who didn't deserve it. That's when I learned (the hard way) my execution is necessary for, but independent of, the success of the business.

Ignore the fear. Don't feed the FUD. But do be honest with yourself about where you are, and what you're doing. Is it really all you? (really?) Learning in this way is typically expending energy to rid yourself of illusions and scripts which no longer serve you.

For where you're at right now, I also suggest you imagine for a second what someone up the org chart would want to see out of the best version of you. This means you're going to need to approach someone in the company with your vulnerability. But also come with something to offer (a plan, an idea, a direction). Consider this a litmus for them as well as for you. If you put in a good faith effort and they cruelly discard it, time to move one. If they don't, they really listen, and they put in effort too.. maybe there are problems you weren't aware of. Problems you can help with.

Good luck. Don't be too hard on yourself. But don't be too nice on yourself either! ;)

Re: Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

#32

It sounds like you're a holistic or big picture type. I struggle with this too. I don't have all the answers but my advice would be to try and focus on a smaller thing and get a win with that. Don't propose several projects, propose one and give it enough attention and proof that it's hard to refuse. Are your proposals measurable? Are they valuable? Are they framed in business context? If more is thrown at you, push…

I'm definitely struggling with finding the one big thing I should focus on. My team has a few objectives for the coming year, but it's unclear who actually owns them or how to get involved. We have a new manager coming in to replace the one who left, but the timing is not great given how long I've already been treading water.

PR approval is mostly down to not being able to get any person to actually +1 - our deploys are pretty slow and high-risk right now, and if your project isn't important it just kind of seems to hit a wall. The code itself is fine, but nobody cares about the result (even though I've talked to them about the benefits and they agree).

Re: Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

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Possibly unpopular advice on HN, but stop joining startups. Idiosyncratic-Culture Risk is off the charts for startups. Join more stable firms with a more "boring" but predictable culture where things get delivered every Sprint, everyone gets paid well, there is no Mountain Dew being guzzled at 8 pm in the office to meet some deadline, weekends are truly off, and your mental health actually recovers. Your dream jobs a…

I'm going to get downvoted to minus infinity but let me say this: consider also less techy firms. Or, companies that do have technology but aren't tech. I have some friends having a blast working with agriculture, there's lots of technology involved, but it's as far away from the stereotypical startup culture as you can get.

Another opportunity - there are so many small businesses who need a tech person, but have no idea what to look for or haven’t admitted their needs yet.

If you show up saying you can develop apps and also manage servers, handle complaints, etc., they will often hand you a lot of responsibility to do things yourself.

Not great for advancing as an engineer unless you actively challenge yourself, but I’m just suggesting that it’s a field out there.

I did this for an education company. Been employed over a year, developed a few web apps for them, basically been handed keys to the kingdom, and they love my work.

Re: Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

#35
The only person responsible for your health and happiness is you.

If you're pushing yourself to the brink of burnout and mental breakdowns, you aren't giving yourself enough time to recover. Period. Take it seriously because it can spiral out of control.

There's this thought that once you cross your threshold of a mental breakdown, you become fed up. That's usually what burnout manifests itself as. It seems like it's showing in your work where you aren't landing things based on your expectations. It could also be that we're in the middle of a great reshuffling and things aren't really stable anywhere. Who knows?

You are ultimately in control of your own destiny. To get over constant failure, you fail more. You fail until you succeed. You keep going. But you need to do this in a way that is sustainable so you can wake up every day to make an inch of progress rather than nothing at all.

Re: Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

#36

- Deferring to others for strategic startup/career/tech advice - More immediately, however, from the way you wrote it sounded to me like you're really, really down on yourself & have this constant churning sense of fear (above/beyond the typical "background radiation" of our insanely distressing life right now) - I hope I didn't misread, but it sounds like generally you've got your $$$ locked down for foreseeable and…

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I definitely think part of it is above-average background stress - queer woman, sole breadwinner for my household, grew up poor, we've had a lot of emergency expenses and unexpected health problems the last few years. Our finances aren't terrible, but the past year has eaten away a lot of the cushion I had built up from my last successful role. Objectively the rest of my life outsi…

Got it-- new info, of course

Also sounds like you're an earner, survivor, tough-as-nails individual too

Re: Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've teed up maybe 6 PRs, but it is hard to find who's actually responsible to review things and get sign-off one way or the other. The iteration speed is also very slow and deploys are pretty high risk, so it's hard to throw things at the wall and see what sticks.

High-risk deploys and slow iterations is not on you but on engineering management. Not knowing who's responsible for reviewing your code is also not on you but on your manager, bad onboarding, bad documentation and general communication. Still you can check in the repo who's been working recently on adjacent work and reach out to them on slack/whatever and ask them. I suggest to try and get small wins (like merging t…

I think the "constant failure" comes from comparing myself to all my peers who have been successful, gotten rich, been promoted, written books, etc.

I don't expect to be the best of the best, but obviously some people are thriving at these places. Why am I failing?

Re: Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've done ok financially, but in retrospect if I had held on to my stock instead of selling when it vested I could be set for life. A lot of my old coworkers only ever worked in one job for 5 years, got rich and retired on their stock at 30. When I was searching for my new job I knew I didn't wan small start-up chaos - my current role and the other big startup both have > 1000 engineers. "Startup" is kind of a loose…

> A lot of my old coworkers only ever worked in one job for 5 years, got rich and retired on their stock at 30. Is this normal? It doesn't seem so normal to me.

Retiring on startup stock at 30 is as about as far from normal as possible.

Re: Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

#39
I have the same problem as you right now. Long break from work during the pandemic, joined a new company, and have only managed to merge one tiny PR in my first month. It feels terrible.

What I’ve figured out is that I need to have a new way to measure myself. I wanted to be a hotshot from day one, and impress everyone by cranking out new features. But on a project this complex, it will take half a year to ramp up and become an important part of the team.

In the meantime, I’ve realized I can’t simply call myself a failure every day. I need to find smaller goals that I measure myself against, like learning a new part of the codebase, building a relationship with another developer, building a little prototype that might not get used, and so on.

Re: Ask HN: How do I get over constant failure?

#40

You could take a risk, and tell the truth to a coworker, ideally someone who sees themselves as a potential mentor. It's an act of trust, being vulnerable like that. But it doesn't sound like you have much to lose, and it's a risk that could actually put you in a much better position, personally and professionally. 2 months without a PR merge isn't the worst thing in the world, but yeah, it's time to do something . S…

I've tried opening up to a couple peers, there's definitely a culture gap where they're successful bay area dev guys who aren't used to hearing about people failing (like really failing, not "my startup ran out of money so I joined a FAANG") or being vulnerable.

Agree about merging smaller PRs, I did recently find a backlog of stuff I can crank out to keep myself sane.

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