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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by christophilus » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:52 PM UTC

throwawayyear22 wrote: post #103

blooalien wrote: post #68

Of course nothing that happened before the pandemic could have contributed at all to any feelings of hopelessness. The absolute despair required to want to "end it all" just suddenly happened because of this one situation. The constant 24/7 barrage of "doom and gloom" and just general insanity in the news and "social" media couldn't have laid any groundwork for anyone to feel like there's just no point in even trying…

In regards to the media, parents could be more dismissive of the doom and gloom. Instead I watch parents repeat in front of their children that corporations are evil, sea level will rise by 10's of feet soon, racism everywhere, reverse racism everywhere, the China Communists will take over the world, that the U.S. doesn't manufacture anything, etc. I recall one adult in my entire childhood that laughed off a doom and…

There is a book called “Simplicity Parenting” which I highly recommend. Basically, you’re right. Parents can cause PTSD in their children by fretting about current events. I’m my opinion, it is our job to insulate them until they are of an age where it’s appropriate to begin such exposure.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:52 PM UTC

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #492

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #451

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Tell that to the small businesses that were destroyed because of “two weeks to slow the spread” and the families that relied on them. They passionately hate these leaders.

Nobody guarantees small businesses the right to exist. Sure nobody can plan for a pandemic but the government’s responsibility is to society at large, not the plight of small business owners.

Okay, society at large has 47.5% of its people employed by small businesses. If you removed their right to exist, you’d have 50% unemployment.

Also, what the heck? The Supreme Court has ruled businesses have some constitutional protections repeatedly.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by u801e » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:54 PM UTC

xkbarkar wrote: post #353

hnarn wrote: post #340

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> Read up on mass psychosis and mass psychology in general. The entire anti-vaxxer movement makes perfect sense if you look at it like a mass psychosis of denial and a trauma response. Questioning the mainstream media is a bit of a meme these days and unfortunately most people that bring up this point have a bit of an agenda to say the least, but: One thing that’s bothered me about the MSM from the start of the pande…

I’d argue that the mandatory vaccine crowd are exactly the same. Edpecially when natural immunity is completely overlooked. Also I beleive that everytime officcials and MSM and threads like these completely undermine and ignore the millions of people who are traumatized by the pretty rough vaccine side effects ( Moderna is no joke ). these people wonder what else os being hidden. And the gap becomes wider and more fa…

> E[s]pecially when natural immunity is completely overlooked.

The one thing about natural immunity is that it does not prevent the transmission or spread of the virus on a population level. For example, prior to the ’90s, there were yearly outbreaks of varicella among school aged children despite the fact that at least 99% of the adult population has natural immunity to the disease.

After widespread vaccination, outbreaks of that disease are practically unheard of.

For the same virus, the CDC recommends that healthy adults over 50 years of age who have prior immunity get 2 additional doses of another formulation of that vaccine to prevent a resurgence of the same disease in older adults.

On another note, if the percentage of the population immune to a certain viral illness drops below a certain threshold because a subset of the population is refusing vaccination, then outbreaks will occur. It happened a few years ago with measles.

> The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men

Do you have sources backing up this statement?

As for the concept of "leaky" vaccines, you need to realize that vaccines have never had 100% effectiveness and that their effectiveness is through achieving the goal of getting a high percentage of the population immune to a particular disease, something that's never really achieved by relying on natural immunity on its own.

Unfortunately, the parts of your comment pertaining to spread, immunity, and vaccinations are not accurate and rely on assumptions that are known to be false. Many people keep trying to counter bad information, but it seems like a battle that's not winnable[1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pm90 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:54 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #475

afavour wrote: post #452

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Have to agree on the shutdown. It’s very easy to look back with 20:20 hindsight and say “duh, that was overkill”. But at the time we were sanitising every surface because we didn’t even know how COVID spread, much less exactly how dangerous it was. The shutdown was a panic move but the panic wasn’t unjustified at the time. I will say, though, that the shutdown went on too long. It was originally sold as a stopgap to…

I had family members telling me that the news was spreading fear and panic back then, and that we should not lock down even for two weeks because, in their own words, “they won’t let us out.” I was skeptical and accepted the lockdown for two weeks. We only just started getting out more than three months later. Either my family was really unusually right… or there was a percentage of people saying it was a bad idea th…

When you have a global pandemic, it’s difficult to predict much. While the Government should absolutely have done more, note that they did pass pandemic relief legislation to help businesses and people through the worst of the pandemic.

Should they have done more? Absolutely… and the fumble by Biden when his PressSec joked about sending testing kits to everyone for free was a very let them eat cake moment.

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Post by tonguez » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:54 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #432

chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

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Post by afavour » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:55 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #475

afavour wrote: post #452

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Have to agree on the shutdown. It’s very easy to look back with 20:20 hindsight and say “duh, that was overkill”. But at the time we were sanitising every surface because we didn’t even know how COVID spread, much less exactly how dangerous it was. The shutdown was a panic move but the panic wasn’t unjustified at the time. I will say, though, that the shutdown went on too long. It was originally sold as a stopgap to…

I had family members telling me that the news was spreading fear and panic back then, and that we should not lock down even for two weeks because, in their own words, “they won’t let us out.” I was skeptical and accepted the lockdown for two weeks. We only just started getting out more than three months later. Either my family was really unusually right… or there was a percentage of people saying it was a bad idea th…

That’s still applying hindsight logic, though. At the start of the pandemic we didn’t know enough about the virus to know what was and was not necessary. Your family applied their skepticism of government to speculate that the lockdown would be a long one. That speculation would turn out to be correct but unless you’re in a family of epidemiologists they weren’t correct because they understood the virus better than anyone else.

Let’s say we flip a coin. I call heads. You tails. It’s heads. So I was correct. But at the moment I made my prediction I wasn't correct, I was just speculating. There was no way to know for sure.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by guilhas » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:55 PM UTC

I would say this is another way in which the covid measures did more harm than good. Together with irresponsible mainstream media doom reporting. Why do why I need to ear, every day, that there are X more covid deaths and Y cases?

Reduced social interaction, more social media can easily wrongly portray the real world. Even I noticed that as soon as you leave home, tv/computer, and be with friends everything seems less dooming

But more than that, I remember being very affected in the 1999/2000, world end prophecies, millennium bug that was going to stop all computers and everyone is going to die. As a child, without internet, it was just TV programs and news reporting, very lightweight and simple, around the family, nothing like the current pandemic or climate doom. Still before going to bed I would be very sad that the world was going to end, everyone was going to die

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:56 PM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #504

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #475

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I had family members telling me that the news was spreading fear and panic back then, and that we should not lock down even for two weeks because, in their own words, “they won’t let us out.” I was skeptical and accepted the lockdown for two weeks. We only just started getting out more than three months later. Either my family was really unusually right… or there was a percentage of people saying it was a bad idea th…

When you have a global pandemic, it’s difficult to predict much. While the Government should absolutely have done more, note that they did pass pandemic relief legislation to help businesses and people through the worst of the pandemic. Should they have done more? Absolutely… and the fumble by Biden when his PressSec joked about sending testing kits to everyone for free was a very let them eat cake moment.

Having bad things that happen to us, and having some unpredictability, is no excuse for societal panic.

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Post by it_does_follow » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:56 PM UTC

Der_Einzige wrote: post #338

it_does_follow wrote: post #241

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The idea that if people would stop talking how the world is so bad the world wouldn't be so bad is one of the strangest patterns of thinking I've seen pop up here more recently. The world is in a state of decline, climate change being just one of many stressors on society. Pretending this is not the case doesn't make it go away, and if anything the media is aggressively downplaying the current situation we are in. An…

The world is not in decline. We do not live on a "spaceship earth" because of the potential for astroid/moon mining and space based solar panels. Technological progress continues to outstrip our environmental damage done in it's persuit, and ultimately only technological solutions will get us out of the current issues with climate change. That, and a healthy amount of climate adaptation. Apocalyptic rhtoric is both w…

> Technological progress continues to outstrip our environmental damage done in it's persuit, and ultimately only technological solutions will get us out of the current issues with climate change.

You've got your causal arrows backwards. Technological progress is fueled by environmental destruction and our use of fossil fuels. I recommend Smil's Energy and Civilization as a relatively neural view on the relationship between our energy usage and civilizational progress.

I understand where the mass denial comes from, recognizing the current state of collapse we are in uproot many of the essential structure of meaning we use to survive so our minds won't trivially let us see them.

Still it is ultimately healthier for everyone to come to grips with this rather than struggle through more and more aggressive and cognitively dissonant forms of denial.

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Post by lancesells » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:58 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #475

afavour wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have to agree on the shutdown. It’s very easy to look back with 20:20 hindsight and say “duh, that was overkill”. But at the time we were sanitising every surface because we didn’t even know how COVID spread, much less exactly how dangerous it was. The shutdown was a panic move but the panic wasn’t unjustified at the time. I will say, though, that the shutdown went on too long. It was originally sold as a stopgap to…

I had family members telling me that the news was spreading fear and panic back then, and that we should not lock down even for two weeks because, in their own words, “they won’t let us out.” I was skeptical and accepted the lockdown for two weeks. We only just started getting out more than three months later. Either my family was really unusually right… or there was a percentage of people saying it was a bad idea th…

I don't think anyone can be "right" in this situation. Without the lockdown or precautions what would the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths have looked like? Would hospitals have been overwhelmed and all sorts of collateral damage happened? In my opinion it's really all best guess as to what the right thing to do was at the beginning.