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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #441
api wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. As with many things, the US response combined all the worst parts of the left's reaction to the pandemic with all the worst aspects of the right's. We had ham-fisted lockdowns (of dubious effectiveness) that destroyed small business and harmed mental health while simultaneously we had a right-wing crackpot antivaccination movement…

The lockdown was a response to a completely unknown pathogen, presumably airborne, that was causing sickness globally. A “ham fisted lockdown” was completely justified to protect everyone while we figured out what was going on. I love everyone trying to play epidemiologist or public policy coordinator like they know what they’re talking about; what hubris.

Tell that to the small businesses that were destroyed because of “two weeks to slow the spread” and the families that relied on them.

They passionately hate these leaders.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by afavour »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #447
chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

I’m gonna defend a bit here. Early on, nobody knew what covid was gonna look like. It had the potential for millions dead with a very high rate of spread. So we panicked. It seems forgotten that nobody remembers how awful, unknown, and strange the early pandemic was back in March 2020. What’s pathetic is how almost two years later, when we know oodles more about this disease, our solutions are identical. Where is the…

Have to agree on the shutdown. It’s very easy to look back with 20:20 hindsight and say “duh, that was overkill”. But at the time we were sanitising every surface because we didn’t even know how COVID spread, much less exactly how dangerous it was. The shutdown was a panic move but the panic wasn’t unjustified at the time.

I will say, though, that the shutdown went on too long. It was originally sold as a stopgap to allow us to set up testing, track and trace infrastructure etc etc and the government by and large just… didn’t. So there was no clear path out of it.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

chernevik wrote: post #425
api wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. As with many things, the US response combined all the worst parts of the left's reaction to the pandemic with all the worst aspects of the right's. We had ham-fisted lockdowns (of dubious effectiveness) that destroyed small business and harmed mental health while simultaneously we had a right-wing crackpot antivaccination movement…

The anti-vax movement isn't just right-wing. Blacks are the most under-vaccinated demographic. And it is important to distinguish those who are against mandates from those who are against the vaccine.

I don't think I'd describe the black people who don't get vaccinated as "anti-vax". Black people have a well earned historical distrust of the medical community that's pretty much completely unrelated to the zeitgeist of the "anti-vax" movement.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by paulryanrogers »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #360
nicoburns wrote: post #355

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I find your conflation of support for vaccines with support for lockdowns rather odd, because vaccines are the main thing that lessens the need for social restrictions! > Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that i…

80% isn't protection. 80% still gets you pregnant. Honestly, it's probably healthier for everyone to turn off the news for a half year, and did not worry about it. If you get sick, take care of it. If you don't, take care of those who do. Lose weight. Exercise. Eat healthy. Live your life. Build and nurture friendships. Find and improve hobbies. Grow your family. You'll be fine until you die. But you can die any and…

> If you get sick, take care of it. If you don't, take care of those who do.

Hospitals were getting overwhelmed. So "taking care of it" for many was not as trivial as the usual flu. Consider that 40% of adults in the US are obese which is a complicating factor for unvaxed infection.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by e40 »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #14
paperwasp42 wrote: post #10

I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…

medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

I partially agree.

The other big thing that caused kids to go inside was fear of abduction. 24/7 cable news, starting in the 80s, was constantly stoking fear of this.

In the 80's I remember watching an Oprah (while sick at home, watching TV was the way to get well, because it I hated it so much) on Adam Walsh's murder. His body was found near were I lived a few years before. I believe this was the beginning of the "your kids will be kidnapped and murdered" hysteria.

Parents reacted to this pulling their kids closer to home and when video games became a thing, it wasn't even hard to keep them inside anymore. Now, with cell phones, the battle is completely lost. These devices give kids (and everyone that uses them) little squirts of pleasure all day long.

I've been an avid walker for 26 years. Not until the pandemic did I ever see people outside (kids or adults), except people walking a dog to let it crap somewhere. I guess that's one good side effect of it.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Krasnol »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #448
Krasnol wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody I know who got Covid, got it from their kids which go to school. Yes mortality is low and kids are quite safe from hard impacts but they don't live in a bubble. They meet people. Also: even if you don't die of it, it could have severe impacts on your life. Long Covid is a thing. It's not that simple...

If everyone got it, destroying businesses and families for over a year in some states to postpone the inevitable was stupid.

How do/did you know it's "inevitable"?

I didn't have Covid yet. At least as far as I know. I work in health IT and have been vaccinating and protecting myself according to the book. It works.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

javagram wrote: post #423
chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

> The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. Anyone who went to an open bar or a packed church service in the USA in December 2020 can tell that governors and the courts were both very sensitive to business and religious concerns about impact on worship, business…

Ha - I wish they were respectful. In my home state, the respect was very much lacking. Whatever they could get away with was the strategy.

To say they were respectful - absolutely they were not.

Edit: They were literally advising people to snitch on each other, even neighbor on neighbor, and make sure to keep that Christmas gathering at 10 people! Last I knew that was a communist tactic. Respected us?

Edit 2: The above would be for Christmas. Earlier in the year it was much worse, don’t attend church unless you are in your car with windows shut for months.

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Post by sometimeshuman »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #273
throwawayyear22 wrote: post #103

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In regards to the media, parents could be more dismissive of the doom and gloom. Instead I watch parents repeat in front of their children that corporations are evil, sea level will rise by 10's of feet soon, racism everywhere, reverse racism everywhere, the China Communists will take over the world, that the U.S. doesn't manufacture anything, etc. I recall one adult in my entire childhood that laughed off a doom and…

Hi, one of those parents here. I have on occasion reminded my daughter that the world she’ll grow up in will not be as abundantly beautiful as it is today. Just as it isn’t for me compared to when I was younger. I’ve also, at those times, reminded her that she has the power and responsibility to be a good steward of the world because nothing is writ in stone. Just reminding you that cautionary tales aren’t always sim…

With all respect, the claim you are framing these stories as "cautionary tales" is questionable given certain tone of your writing.

Also the PP had examples where the counter example is simply demonstrated. That's what parents should do instead of repeating them with implied certainty. Of most concern, I can't recall a single doom story from my childhood that came true or that I could work on by the time I was an adult(e.g., we'll be out of oil in 25 years, the Russians will drop a bomb on us any day now, the Japanese will own the US soon, world population growth will lead to world wide famine, collapse of the USD, Social Security will end in 10 years, etc.). My childhood years (and possibly most of my life) were lost to depression, negative rumination, anxiety, and hopelessness. It was only until I limited interaction with doom-sayers that I finally have a clear, calm, and focused mind and that is a prerequisite for solving meaningful problems.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by bingohbangoh »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #457
javagram wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. Anyone who went to an open bar or a packed church service in the USA in December 2020 can tell that governors and the courts were both very sensitive to business and religious concerns about impact on worship, business…

Ha - I wish they were respectful. In my home state, the respect was very much lacking. Whatever they could get away with was the strategy. To say they were respectful - absolutely they were not. Edit: They were literally advising people to snitch on each other, even neighbor on neighbor, and make sure to keep that Christmas gathering at 10 people! Last I knew that was a communist tactic. Respected us? Edit 2: The abo…

This may be a red state, blue state difference

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by hackflip »

Krasnol wrote: post #420
chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

Everybody I know who got Covid, got it from their kids which go to school. Yes mortality is low and kids are quite safe from hard impacts but they don't live in a bubble. They meet people. Also: even if you don't die of it, it could have severe impacts on your life. Long Covid is a thing. It's not that simple...

Should children have to sacrifice their development to protect adults? I always thought adults should be the ones making sacrifices for children, not the other way around.
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