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Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by low_tech_love »

eigenrick wrote: post #141

As I type this, I'm infected with Covid. I have a wife and three kids, all tested positive. The oldest complained of a sore throat for one day, the others were "a bit tired" for two days. I've had it the worst. I had intestinal issues for 3 says and now have a mild sore throat and fatigue. Overall, I skipped about 2 half days of work because I felt tired. (I work from home) Omicron has swept through pretty much every…

“All my family had covid and nobody died” led you to conclude that “vaccines are not helping”?

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by tylerhou »

native_samples wrote: post #200
tzs wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The endpoint is when enough of the people who refuse to get vaccinated have gotten it enough times that their hospitalization rates are as low as those of vaccinated people, so that those of us who are vaccinated can get decent treatment if we get a serious injury or non-COVID illness. Omicron looks like it has a good change to get us to that point.

I hate to break it to you but most people hospitalized with COVID are already vaccinated in many health systems. That's true in the UK for instance. US data is often garbage so it's harder to say there but it's unlikely to be different. Most people are vaccinated + vaccines don't work very well = most COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated.

> most COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated.

Do you have a source for this? The math doesn’t add up (vaccinated are 10-15x less likely to be hospitalized, and around 60% of US is vaccinated, implies around 6/46 hospitalized people are vaccinated) and all the sources I could find show that unvaccinated people take up most hospitalizations and even more ICU beds, which is the limiting resource.

https://www.wndu.com/2022/01/06/covid-19-hospitalizations-ri...

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Post by cdrini »

parkingrift wrote: post #74

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There are a few important facts missing from your analysis.

1) Omicron, although less deadly than Delta, is significantly more spreadable.

2) Omicron can infect and be transmitted through vaccinated people--although they do suffer even milder symptoms.

3) The logic behind restrictions is to flatten the hospitalisations curve. Because of how infectious Omicron is, even if there is a lower likelihood that a COVID patient will need ICU, if the number of COVID patients is huge, then ICUs will still be overwhelmed.

This is why it matters if students spread Omicron unchecked to their families. To clarify, this doesn't disprove your conclusion, but if your argument doesn't take into account these facts then it's "facts losing the information war" just as much as everything else.

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Post by mbg721 »

sgjohnson wrote: post #229
totetsu wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

say that's quite a rhetorical technique you've got going there, you got a name for it?

post-irony although this is obvious enough to be just satire

It'd be Times-Irony otherwise.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

beardedwizard wrote: post #23
fourseventy wrote: post #13

How many students that got sick are experiencing symptoms more severe than the common cold? It seems like the chaos is caused by the attempted solutions to covid and not the actual symptoms? Edit: 7 day rolling average of COVID cases according to https://www1.nyc.gov/ is 32k cases per day with 38 deaths. So there is a 0.1% mortality rate.

You are failing to consider the spread to vulnerable populations where the symptoms are fatal. Omicron is not mild, people with vaccines have mild symptoms due to its efficacy. All these kids come home to families with parents and grandparents. They also have young siblings.

>You are failing to consider the spread to vulnerable populations where the symptoms are fatal.

In New York Cuomo killed many of these people early on.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by tzs »

native_samples wrote: post #200
tzs wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The endpoint is when enough of the people who refuse to get vaccinated have gotten it enough times that their hospitalization rates are as low as those of vaccinated people, so that those of us who are vaccinated can get decent treatment if we get a serious injury or non-COVID illness. Omicron looks like it has a good change to get us to that point.

I hate to break it to you but most people hospitalized with COVID are already vaccinated in many health systems. That's true in the UK for instance. US data is often garbage so it's harder to say there but it's unlikely to be different. Most people are vaccinated + vaccines don't work very well = most COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated.

Vaccines work very well. Vaccinated people have COVID hospitalization rates an order of magnitude lower than do unvaccinated people.

In the US we have about 25% of adults unvaccinated, but it varies greatly from region to region. We've got plenty of counties where over 50% of adults are unvaccinated.

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Post by daenz »

armchairhacker wrote: post #44
tomp wrote: post #16

This exemplifies the worst part of this pandemic - the mind virus . A lot of people in the society are LARPing (pretending) that the virus is serious - staying home, testing constantly, "close contact notifications", "running away from a positive student" - yet at the same time, acting as if it's obviously not a dangerous virus - if it were, they'd all be staying away from each other . Basically new "security theatre…

It’s not even that the virus is not necessarily serious: all of these precautions are basically useless. Many people are spreading covid but are completely asymptomatic, and tests are limited so they aren’t getting tested. Omicron is also extremely contagious, spreading despite masks and other sanitation protocols. It’s too late and too contagious: if you’re not 100% isolating in your home you will get Omicron. Maski…

I love going into a restaurant, wearing my mask while the host walks me to my seat, surrounded by unmasked people talking loudly, then sitting down and removing my mask. And if I don't do this, I'm not allowed to enter the establishment. It's all big joke.

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Post by khazhoux »

native_samples wrote: post #200
tzs wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The endpoint is when enough of the people who refuse to get vaccinated have gotten it enough times that their hospitalization rates are as low as those of vaccinated people, so that those of us who are vaccinated can get decent treatment if we get a serious injury or non-COVID illness. Omicron looks like it has a good change to get us to that point.

I hate to break it to you but most people hospitalized with COVID are already vaccinated in many health systems. That's true in the UK for instance. US data is often garbage so it's harder to say there but it's unlikely to be different. Most people are vaccinated + vaccines don't work very well = most COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated.

Every bit of data in the US, from hospital reports to anecdotal stories told by nurses and doctors, tells the exact opposite. Hospitalized and ICU'd COVID patients are unvaccinated.

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

aqme28 wrote: post #58
brohoolio wrote: post #9

I don’t understand why remote learning during this surge isn’t acceptable. I’ve seen opinion piece after opinion piece go on and on about how we need to have kids in school. The pieces attack school officials or teachers but complete ignore the logistics of having so many sick teachers. There aren’t enough subs to cover for the teachers. We know this surge will die down in 4-6 weeks. It’s a perfect time to pivot to r…

It perfectly illustrates how there are two types of quarantine lockdowns-- the kind enforced by the government or policy, and the defacto kind that happens organically when too many people are sick or afraid of getting sick. There's a false belief out there in this debate that if we don't have an enforced lockdown, we won't get a defacto one.

That's true, but we also shouldn't characterize this as a defacto one. Insane quarantine regulations basically prevent teachers from coming to school at all if they have even been in contact with anyone who later tested positive, whether or not they are sick, test negative, or have 3 shots. If we saw this same situation sans government regulations then we could conclude it was organically spawned, but that isn't the case here.

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Post by gorbachev »

tomp wrote: post #18
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #14

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If you're afraid of the virus, get vaccinated yourself. That's literally the most you can do. If you're still afraid of the virus, you should know that vaccinating people (even forcefully) won't stop transmission. The virus is endemic. The only thing that can change between now and "back to normal" future is, your mind.

How lucky you are not having to worry about co-morbidity.

I'm sick and tired of people generalizing their own conditions to the entire population. You are not like everyone else. Stop telling other people they don't need to worry.

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