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Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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> Other nations would do well to follow Japan’s lead In English we have the adage, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." In Japan there is the adage, "The tall nail gets pounded down." People in the US aren't declining the vaccine because they are told to. They are declining the vaccine because of misinformation and tribalism.

However, vaccine mandates increase tribalism.

The UK is not so different from the US culturally. If the UK could do it without vaccine mandates (with the exception of medical professionals but that's understandable) why not the US?

I am even more surprised about Germany and Austria? They are not exactly and anarchist hotbeds. They could have convinced population about vaccine effectiveness and safety without any mandates. It appears that they dropped the ball when getting proper information to the people and misinformation reached people instead.

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#52
post #9

encouragement rather than mandates were, are, and will always always be better and more effective than the threat of force. it’s the most pro-social option as well as the most ethical, in direct contradiction of the cries of ‘selfishness’ emanating from the mediopolitical apparatus.

I’m wondering what are the places that didn’t begin with encouragement and availability rather than mandates and “threats of force”?

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#53
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone says "far left" or "far right" in America I usually interpret them talking about political culture rather than policy.

I understand that and as a leftist I find it unfortunate that my label is being used to describe people that believe in things I oppose, hence the correction.

I used to refer to people who behave poorly on the left and right as "extremists" but people then assume I oppose socialist policies, rather than me attempting to reign in behavior. I'm not sure there's better words in a contextual language like English.

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#54
post #9

encouragement rather than mandates were, are, and will always always be better and more effective than the threat of force. it’s the most pro-social option as well as the most ethical, in direct contradiction of the cries of ‘selfishness’ emanating from the mediopolitical apparatus.

I recently heard a practicing cardiologist say that he felt it was unethical to encourage any medical procedure. Instead it was up to him to give the patient the best information he could, and then let them decide without any cheer leading. My last doctor treated me that way, and I appreciate it.

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#55
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK done that, at least that's what Boris Johnson said.

Yes, the UK in general is not forcing anything, and for a lot of purposes a negative test is as good as a vaccine passport. And in general it seems to have worked pretty well in the UK, as the country is now around 85% double vaccinated and 60% triple vaccinated (in people over 12). This could be down to the fact that while we British love to complain about the NHS, people trust the motives those who work for it and…

Likely because there is a clear separation, and you have more of the Civil Servant boost going on.

The U.S. has shit canned any semblance of trust with it's medical apparatus in my opinion. When you have War on Drugs policies being back door enforced through manufacturers, insurers, etc... (wasn't long ago that FDA was considering tainting ADHD drugs with additives for "anti-abuse" purposes, granting a new patent on an existing treatment, literally giving an official stamp to poison people like they did with cough syrup);

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4406920/

Make no mistake. The language is flowery, it sounds good. Insurers use it because it doesn't sound like what it really is: adding complicating factors to treatment regimens that hardly anyone checks in on overtime in order to leverage a political ask (War on Drugs) as an ongoing business opportunity rather than keeping overall complexity down.

When you have for profit hospitals getting federal kickbacks for case reporting;

Caution: Lede is buried in the first part of the article, I'll quote the important bit here, but feel free to read it as a whole: TLDR was no one is getting put on ventilators to get paid more; point I'm more concerned on is I've got immediate people I know who've got relatives going into hospitals and getting reported as COVID, or getting poorer care for not being vaccinated.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-...

>It is true, however, that the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency, and by reimbursing hospitals for treating the uninsured patients with the disease (at that enhanced Medicare rate).

>Both of those provisions stem from the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act, or CARES Act.

Where the above is the accountant/MBA's incentive, and the understandable frustration of medical practitioner's not being listened to due to most normal people's implicit awareness of the monetary incentive misalignment.

When your medical education apparatus is tuned specifically to act as an artificial supply limiter that ensures that massive fee extraction is assured. See AMA and statutory limits on Doctors "blessed" to begin practice a year.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4561/does-the-a...

When your drug approval process is so rife with controversy, 3 of 11 of your non-bureaucratic advisory panel resigns out of frustration because you fast tracked approval of a drug where you had two contraindications studies. (See Aduhelm).

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/11/1005567149/3-experts-have-res...

When you have gems like: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/curing-disease-n...

This is a field where even the appearance of impropriety costs lives in the long run. Every actor in the space should be cognizant of and acting as such. There is far too little appreciation and value paid to this fact. Honestly, I'm just astounded more and more that people aren't more aware of how much sketchyness there is.

Maybe people are aware, and just don't care. Maybe I'm the nut. I don't even know anymore.

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#56
post #2

> Other nations would do well to follow Japan’s lead [...]. This policy appropriately places the responsibility for this healthcare decision with the individual or family. I'm sorry, no. This only works in countries like Japan.

Wrong. Facts don’t care about counties, politics, or culture. Japan is following the facts, most others are following fear and or corruption. Every country needs to adopt Japan’s policy and attitude towards covid, full stop.

unequivocally a false narrative. Japan from a young age is ingrained to best what's best for the rest of society and respect elders.

They don't need to force because it's unlikely people wouldn't

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#57

> Other nations would do well to follow Japan’s lead In English we have the adage, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." In Japan there is the adage, "The tall nail gets pounded down." People in the US aren't declining the vaccine because they are told to. They are declining the vaccine because of misinformation and tribalism.

>They are declining the vaccine because of misinformation and tribalism.

I know this is anecdotal, but my experience has been that many people are waiting until long term testing is complete. Remember that the FDA Approval letter for Pfizer indicated that they would need until June 2025[1] to complete testing on the myocarditis and pericarditis upticks in the young males who have taken it.

If the FDA says testing isn't complete on long term issues, why is it crazy that some people would rather wait until it is? Especially with all of the recent deaths of young healthy male athletes in 2021.[2]

[1] https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

[2] https://airtable.com/shrbaT4x8LG8EbvVG/tbl7xKsSUIOPAa7Mx

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#58

According to NYT[0]: Japan has an 80% vaccination rate, with 1.7M total COVID cases. The US has a 62% vaccination rate, with 59.4M total COVID cases. 0. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Yeah this seems like the obvious caveat. You don’t need to mandate vaccines if most people take them by choice…

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What works in Japan doesn't work everywhere else...common sense is hard to find.

Common sense works everywhere regardless of culture, politics, or anything else. Facts don’t care about a culture or political view. Japan is following facts, most other countries are following fear and or corruption.

>> Common sense works everywhere regardless of culture

How does common sense work in a culture of alternative facts/alternative truth?

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