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Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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>344 single points of failure How can a system have more that one single point of failure?

The sequential deployment process had many possible individual points of failure along the way - if any step went wrong then the full deployment failed.

well yes, but wouldn't we refer to them simply by "points of failure" not "single"?

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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For those not up on the project, what are some of the earliest novel types of information we expect to receive from it?

Being able to see how galaxies evolved - you can see a galaxy 200M light years after the Big Bang and compare it to Hubble’s 500M years after the Big Bang.

Also spectra will be available to understand physical and chemical compositions at early times.

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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One of the big numbers that been thrown around is that JWST has 344 single points of failure in its mission. Now that deployment has been completed, is there somewhere that lists how many of those points we have passed?

>344 single points of failure How can a system have more that one single point of failure?

I think linguistically the term can be hard to parse.

If any one of 344 pieces were to fail during deployment, then all of the deployment has failed and the entire $10B was a loss. Consider the engine in your car- how many single pieces of it could fail before the entire engine can't work? The difference with Webb is that most of those points were single actions that had to work once.

And we're now at a stage where most of them did not fail.

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Great news! I’m happy about this. Just curious - had this mission critically fail, how likely would we be to simply try again? Who needs to approve the cost for that? Would it be politically important to succeed currently?

Hopefully it inserts into L2 orbit successfully and starts doing science. If the results are interesting I can well see a future mission to try and refuel it to extend its life past its projected 10+ years.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/30/world/james-webb-space-telesc...

“It also used less propellant than planned due to the precision of the telescope's launch aboard the Ariane 5 rocket, so "the observatory should have enough propellant to allow support of science operations in orbit for significantly more than a 10-year science lifetime," according to NASA.”

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sequential deployment process had many possible individual points of failure along the way - if any step went wrong then the full deployment failed.

well yes, but wouldn't we refer to them simply by "points of failure" not "single"?

I think it's single in the sense that only a single failure in any of those points would render the entire project a failure, not that there's only one point that can possibly fail.

Contrast, say, a single-engine jet plane with a twin-engine jet plane that can still make it to the airport safely with the remaining engine, should one engine fail mid-flight.

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post #27

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>344 single points of failure How can a system have more that one single point of failure?

If you're in a car being held above the ground by a chain, every single link is a potential single-point of failure.

What a fantastic comment. In a visual and immediate way to explain such a complex concept in one sentence.

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sequential deployment process had many possible individual points of failure along the way - if any step went wrong then the full deployment failed.

well yes, but wouldn't we refer to them simply by "points of failure" not "single"?

"single point of failure" is a phrase that refers to any subsystem which the whole system is dependent on.

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sequential deployment process had many possible individual points of failure along the way - if any step went wrong then the full deployment failed.

well yes, but wouldn't we refer to them simply by "points of failure" not "single"?

Most failure points on Webb have redundancies. So their failure doesn't brick the telescope, both the part and its redundancy have to fail before Webb is bricked. The single points brick Webb with only a single failure.

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sequential deployment process had many possible individual points of failure along the way - if any step went wrong then the full deployment failed.

well yes, but wouldn't we refer to them simply by "points of failure" not "single"?

Because a point of failure could have multiple redundancies, and in this case they did not, every one of those points was implemented in a non-redundant way.
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