This is an oldie so many may already know it. But always relevant reading for my fellow procrastinators. Part 1: https://waitbutwhy.com/2013/10/why-procrastinators-procrasti... Part 2: https://waitbutwhy.com/2013/11/how-to-beat-procrastination.h... Bonus: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/03/procrastination-matrix.html Highly recommended! While I still procrastinate this understanding has helped me control my urge tememdou…
I found myself relating to these particular three articles a lot . Then, last year, I have learned about ADHD - and, to my surprise, realized I'm a textbook example. There are a lot of resources available for us, and ways to do things differently. If you relate to WaitButWhy, check this out: https://romankogan.net/adhd/ And if you find yourself scrolling and relating - there's a good change your life will drastically…
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my experience getting an adult ADHD diagnosis is a long process. Especially if you've never looked into it. After getting lost in the process last year. Re-attempting this year, i'm again stalled as they want my anxiety/depression scores to drop before testing for ADHD. So don't give up, when the system puts up walls. I assume this is due to the potential addiction side-affects for the drugs (stimulants) for non-A…
Yup when i got diagnosed it required investigation into my school records (20 years prior, I got diagnosed as an adult). Looking over my life since childhood, diagnosis is clear cut. I was lucky to have old school reports and letters from teachers. To be honest, it isn't difficult for some. I've heard of others walking in and getting "diagnosed" within 5 minutes. I do think some people getting diagnosed with adhd as…
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's like magic to be honest For nearly everyone, if I understand correctly, ADHD or no.
You understand incorrectly, and you are propagating a harmful stereotype (which makes medication harder to obtain for people who need it). Aderall has vastly different effects on people with ADHD vs. the rest. The best I can say is the Adderall makes us feel the way you feel normally . To us, it feels like magic. The ability to switch from a task you're engaged in? The ability to do something that you need to do and…
This so much. I rarely attempt to communicate the experience of ADHD because it's rarely worth the effort but one of the times that I did to a good friend I was met with an affectionate "so you're a bit of a retard" and it's hard to argue otherwise.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's like magic to be honest For nearly everyone, if I understand correctly, ADHD or no.
You understand incorrectly, and you are propagating a harmful stereotype (which makes medication harder to obtain for people who need it). Aderall has vastly different effects on people with ADHD vs. the rest. The best I can say is the Adderall makes us feel the way you feel normally . To us, it feels like magic. The ability to switch from a task you're engaged in? The ability to do something that you need to do and…
[0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...
[1] SSC (now switched to astralcodexten.substack.com) is a psychiatrist who has some expertise in the area.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
I found myself relating to these particular three articles a lot . Then, last year, I have learned about ADHD - and, to my surprise, realized I'm a textbook example. There are a lot of resources available for us, and ways to do things differently. If you relate to WaitButWhy, check this out: https://romankogan.net/adhd/ And if you find yourself scrolling and relating - there's a good change your life will drastically…
if you had issues focus, did music help?
ADHD is not an issue focusing.
I don't have a problem focusing per se [1]. The disorder's name is misleading [2].
In fact, I often have an excess of focus: focusing on something to the detriment of everything else [3].
Like, coding (or making music) till 5AM, forgetting to eat and sleep.
The problem I have is directing where the focus goes.
Let me make a camera analogy:
* Most people don't have laser-sharp focus, but it's good enough for what needs to get done, and they can switch it quickly and at will, like a manual focus on a camera;
* My focus is laser sharp... but it's automatic, and with a janky chip. So it takes time to engage, and often picks out the wrong subject.
Whatever it focuses on looks great, but if there's a squirrel in the frame, the focus always goes there, and it never focuses on some things just because.
Anything shiny and fine-textured (jewelry, fine art) will come out excellently, in super fine detail.
Anything that's bland and the same throughout (like plain cloth) doesn't have enough edges for the autofocus to catch on.
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Does music help? Well, it's one thing I can focus on. That's how I failed gym: I couldn't leave the music lab on time to make it to the next class... Every time. Breaking hyperfocus is painful.
Music isn't an ADHD cure, but what it is, is a place for many ADHD people to find themselves, and feel comfortable at. It ticks all the boxes: creative, important, necessary, and urgent — if you are performing. It's the shiny thing my autofocus chip can lock onto.
It gets the dopamine flowing, and when you get enough, you suddenly get the action points to do other things.
It's also a way to meet and connect with people. I made many friends through music — unsurprisingly, quite a few of them have ADHD.
So it helps, but not in a way you might think.
And classical piano music instruction is outright harmful IMO. I'm mostly self-taught/playing by ear; the skills I needed to play live weren't taught in school. People who spent years playing classical pieces somehow were never taught basic musicianship: playing by ear, improvising, arranging, basics of composing, etc; not to mention zero knowledge about music tech (of which we have more than a century now).
That said, I have taken several semesters worth of music production classes — and barely scratched the surface of what there is to learn.
On that note, I can highly recommend Huang's class on Monthly if you can truly dedicate time and effort needed for it, which is much more than the minimum required to just get through it. It's super condensed and hands-on.
Let me know if you want more info about music and resources.
[1] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Focusing
[2] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Awfully%20Described%20Human%20D...
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#266Another trick that I haven't seen anyone talk about in this thread is visualization. I'll use this whenever I notice the loop, but still don't have the courage to actually stop. I'll pause for a moment, tell myself that I am NOT going to do the thing exactly at this moment, but instead I will just visualize the exact steps needed for when I eventually sit down to do it. This helps for those situations in which I'm pr…
"I won't do X now, but I will stop browsing and walk around the block while thinking of X."
"I won't do X now, but I'll sketch some ideas about X on paper while I have a coffee or snack."
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I could've written your comment word-for-word, to the extent that I did a double take and checked to make sure I didn't write it. Personally, I say that ADHD stands for Awfully Described Human Disorder for that exact reason. Many more thoughts on why it's poorly named here: https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Awfully%20Described%20Human%20D... (Someone complained I'm linking to my blog too much, but I haven't posted this li…
It's always nice to know you're not alone :) I'll give your blog a read, thanks! P.S.: "the thought of your friends not liking you makes you want to die" ... is that really an ADHD thing?? I thought that was a completely unrelated personality flaw.
Can't say it's caused by ADHD, or the life experiences that one gets with ADHD, but it's a known correlation[1].
[1] https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-an...
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You understand incorrectly, and you are propagating a harmful stereotype (which makes medication harder to obtain for people who need it). Aderall has vastly different effects on people with ADHD vs. the rest. The best I can say is the Adderall makes us feel the way you feel normally . To us, it feels like magic. The ability to switch from a task you're engaged in? The ability to do something that you need to do and…
While I have never taken that specific stimulant, nor been diagnosed with ADHD, my partner is diagnosed, and I'm... somewhat familiar with the topic, let's say (though she's prescribed something other than Adderall). You may have read SSC[0][1] on the topic, but I'll leave it here in case you haven't, or for others. [0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo... [1] SSC (now switched to astralcod…
...you are not qualified to make statements of the sort, and I urge you to listen to people who have been diagnosed with ADHD and do take Adderall.
Another, fascinating thing to consider is that you may have ADHD. I was one of those people who said things similar to what you just did, because I had no idea that everyone, in fact, did not have the same struggles. How many of the posts in [2] do you find yourself relating to? If it's more then a dozen, consider getting an assessment (and reading up).
>You may have read SSC...
No, I have not. Thank you for linking it. If you read it, again, you will see that he reaffirms my point: that there are serious risks associated with Adderall taken by people who don't have ADHD, while it is an effective tool for people with ADHD (though, like every medication, it does not work for some, and can have side effects).
Please read what I have to say about ADHD medication, Adderall specifically, here: [1], and compare and contrast with SSC's "Summary" section.
Additionally, I should add that the introduction part of that article sounds like a failed attempt to describe a complex disorder to laymen. Part of it are not correct.
Psychiatrists are not infallible. I can go at length addressing which parts you shouldn't take, but let's say, the take-away from that article is in the summary, and please read what I have to say about it, and see how it compares with your experience of stimulants being taken by non-afflicted people.
[1] On Adderall: https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Medication
[2] All posts: https://romankogan.net/adhd/
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TL;DR: Adderall helps me calm down, helps me switch between tasks (i.e. break focus), and helps me fall asleep when I go to bed.
This is not how it works for neurotypical people. If this is how it works for you, perhaps get yourself assessed for ADHD.
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#269I can highly recommend Task Ratchet https://taskratchet.com/ by the makers of Beeminder. You add a task and a due date and how much they will fine if you if you don’t do it in time. Loss aversion kicks in and I actually do the task to avoid being fined.
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
You understand incorrectly, and you are propagating a harmful stereotype (which makes medication harder to obtain for people who need it). Aderall has vastly different effects on people with ADHD vs. the rest. The best I can say is the Adderall makes us feel the way you feel normally . To us, it feels like magic. The ability to switch from a task you're engaged in? The ability to do something that you need to do and…
> Enjoy the superpowers you never knew you had. This so much. I rarely attempt to communicate the experience of ADHD because it's rarely worth the effort but one of the times that I did to a good friend I was met with an affectionate "so you're a bit of a retard" and it's hard to argue otherwise.
* Manual focus may not be very sharp, but you can change it instantly, and get within the ballpark every time.
* Autofocus is very sharp... but not necessarily on what you want to capture. If it's not shiny enough, autofocus never locks in on that subject. If a bird flies past the window while you snap a photo of the blackboard, it will focus on the bird, and the blackboard comes out blurry. Since it's automatic, you can't just focus where you want to; you need to trick the circuit to work properly.